The Official Religion Bashing Thread....

[Owen]

Ok,

Here it is, Every Forum has one and its time to kick start another....

I wanna hear some quality responses to this issue, not just F*ck this and This sucks... etc


Shoot.... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[Darian]

It was only a matter of time :P

I'm sick of how much power the Pope holds. Before the last Pope died (can't even remember his name), he could hardly move let alone talk. How the hell is he like a prophet or whatever. He couldn't even talk! He was useless to the Catholics (he couldn't preech their lies and bullshit). Then all the brainwashed wankers just listened to some other guy talking for the Pope...

Now there's a "Child of Hitler" nazi Pope heading the Catholics. What the fuck??!!

The Catholic Church are running the best brainwashing of deceit and lies in history. I hate the fuckers :evil: Not so much the dumbass followers, but more the priest and deceivers themselves. :evil: :evil:

[Nocturn]

I dont want to sound like a fairy flower here, But they do treat the women with no respect...

And the trust he held in humanity was well represented by the bullet proof glass he hid behind..

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[blacklava]

I dont want to sound like a fairy flower here, But they do treat the women with no respect...

And the trust he held in humanity was well represented by the bullet proof glass he hid behind..

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

dude he only used bullet proof glass because he did get shot

[Minion_Of_Hell]

its true and that pope was a legend :D

[Darian]

What did he do that was so good?

I dont want to sound like a fairy flower here, But they do treat the women with no respect...

And the trust he held in humanity was well represented by the bullet proof glass he hid behind..

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

dude he only used bullet proof glass because he did get shot


Dont Matter.... He went against his beliefs.. He may of been shot, but he still didnt put trust in "The People"...

All Popes are Dicks, and thats final....

[Stahlregen]

Don't care about religion an all those popes / priests. Of course i'd like it better without religion in school, let the kids decide what they want to belive ! And those parents who ''make'' their kids go to the chruch , u should wait till they can understand something about religion and that stuff...

[Darian]

Well put Stahlregen. When people are "born into the church" and been going since a baby - Their perception is a bit skewed!!

It's like your parents telling you about Santa and the Easter Bunny. A child will believe anything their parents tell them, even if it's complete bullshit.

[Darian]

I should add, I was ripped off by the Toothfairy recently. 8O

[Owen]

Yeh that tooth fairy has got me a few times......

What A Bitch :lol:

[Darian]

I'm gonna rip out a tooth and set a big muthafucker trap to catch the bastard. I'm thinking of setting a bear trap under my pillow - it's either gonna be me or the rabbit.

I'll keep you posted...

[blackmailtheuniverse]

It was only a matter of time :P

I'm sick of how much power the Pope holds. Before the last Pope died (can't even remember his name), he could hardly move let alone talk. How the hell is he like a prophet or whatever. He couldn't even talk! He was useless to the Catholics (he couldn't preech their lies and bullshit). Then all the brainwashed wankers just listened to some other guy talking for the Pope...

Now there's a "Child of Hitler" nazi Pope heading the Catholics. What the fuck??!!

The Catholic Church are running the best brainwashing of deceit and lies in history. I hate the fuckers :evil: Not so much the dumbass followers, but more the priest and deceivers themselves. :evil: :evil:

Hmm... A child of Hitler...

My Grandpa was in the Hitler youth, not because he wanted to, but because everyone had to be!!! They all hated Hitler!!!

[Minion_Of_Hell]

Hitler.......He died because he had no brain....i mean why would you kill innocent Jews??? They didnt do anything to hitler....

[GumbY]

http://www.smnnews.com/board/avatar.php?userid=8117&dateline=1117015969
The pope on the other hand..................

[crypticmyth]

I'm gonna rip out a tooth and set a big muthafucker trap to catch the bastard. I'm thinking of setting a bear trap under my pillow - it's either gonna be me or the rabbit.

I'll keep you posted...

Bwahahaha...yeah you keep me updated on that! :lol: :lol: :lol: .....
And btw, I hate it how these bloody christians own like 3 channels on TV and they preach non-stop.....why the fuck should they try to impress their beliefs onto ppl??Here in India, these bloody christian missionaries pay poor ppl. cash upto like 2000 Rs.(around 45$) to convert to Christianity....they say, we'll get you out of monetary problems if you turn to Christianity..i mean, thats just sheer pathetic, if you need to pay money for followers; it just shows how desperate these lunatics are to make ppl. look only in the direction that they want you to look....bastards..

[Helvete]

Religion as it is now it's just an institution. It's not important anymore to really feel anything, just DO some stuff the church claims. And if you do that everything's perfect, you go to Heaven and so on. Sadly, there are people who aren't strong enough to survive without some 'higher power' to dictate them what to do. And because people are weak, the church grows stronger.

But the pope has no power. Like a president has no power, or a king has no power. It is never the rule of one man. The one who's put in the front is manipulated from behind. And even in what may concern religion, there's still political interest in sight. So practically, everything is just a facade. A very well constructed one, I'd say.

I still hope the whole system will disastrously collapse one day.

[Mourn]

I'm awaiting the downfall of the dogans any time now. The Panzer will alienate many followers.

[HellHammer]

Well I think the church just is a place where people get brainwashed. At least over here they try to scare you so much with there stories about hell and Satan, and that you should give money to the church. I can't believe that the people don't even question where there money goes, while the priest rides in expensive cars, has a big ass house. These people are blinded with a false religion.

[Typoon]

I can't believe that there's still people that still think that god exists and do whatever the church says...
if you are not baptize, you will not be allowed into Heaven, what kind of arrogant and hypocrit God would that be?? if you are born, and die in 1 year, that's it, for all eternity you will be left in the 'limbo' floating like an inert fart
the religion has flaws everywere... you just have to look a little, 'man was created to God likeness" even tough god has no phisical body (yeah yeah, "do not take thouse passagess litteraly" it's their explanation to everything)
everything is wrong unless it benefits the church (ehm.... i mean, it benefits God)
holy wars???? WTF???? "thou shall not kill", hello?

anyway.. the church exists and always existed to prevent the progress of mankind, since medieval times, they were the ones that keep all the books, and didn't let anyone to touch them.
now they keep on doing stuff like that... they are against the use of preservatives and all types of contraceptives.
they only want masses of idiots for them to persuade... that's all.

[tyrant]

religion, for example, christianity, is good.... CHURCH is not...... i think that the Church is only organization, similar to Mafia, but with less decency and pride....... i don`t even want to speak about what they`ve done in history, cause i believe everybody here knows what i`m talking about...... CHURCH was big mistake.... on contrary, christianity is not a bad religion at all...

[HellHammer]

religion, for example, christianity, is good.... CHURCH is not...... i think that the Church is only organization, similar to Mafia, but with less decency and pride....... i don`t even want to speak about what they`ve done in history, cause i believe everybody here knows what i`m talking about...... CHURCH was big mistake.... on contrary, christianity is not a bad religion at all...

Well you might say that i don't know shit about christianity, but I have always found that christianity doesn't respect other religions and they stimulate people to discriminate.
I mean priests come up to me and say that it is written in the bible that the only "true" religion is christianity, and only if you believe in christ will you find happiness.
Seriously what kind of bullshit is that? In other words the damn priest want to tell me that my religion is false, that I worship false gods, and by worshipping them I will not be spared on the so called judgement day.
Now I just tell them to fuck off, or I will hurt them.

[tyrant]

religion, for example, christianity, is good.... CHURCH is not...... i think that the Church is only organization, similar to Mafia, but with less decency and pride....... i don`t even want to speak about what they`ve done in history, cause i believe everybody here knows what i`m talking about...... CHURCH was big mistake.... on contrary, christianity is not a bad religion at all...

Well you might say that i don't know shit about christianity, but I have always found that christianity doesn't respect other religions and they stimulate people to discriminate.
I mean priests come up to me and say that it is written in the bible that the only "true" religion is christianity, and only if you believe in christ will you find happiness.
Seriously what kind of bullshit is that? In other words the damn priest want to tell me that my religion is false, that I worship false gods, and by worshipping them I will not be spared on the so called judgement day.
Now I just tell them to fuck off, or I will hurt them.

you misunderstood me..... i wanted to tell you this: if i want to believe in god, i don`t need no goings to church or priests to be christian... i might as well be christian at home, at work, in school or whatever.... i`m saying that the whole church, most of the priests and everything are bad, greedy and sinful people, with whom i don`t want have any bussiness..... as i already said, i don`t need no church or priests to believe in god.....

[Hélder]

so i told you to judge about this saying ripped by Gorgoroth"This eternal accusation against Christianity I shall write upon all walls, wherever walls are to be found - I have letters that even the blind will be able to see... I call Christianity the one great curse, the one great intrinsic depravity, the one great instinct of revenge, for which no means are venomous enough, or secret, subterranean and small enough, - I call it the one immortal blemish upon the human race..."

[edgein]

Being raised in a traditional catholic family, I was, from the start, against it. When I was a kid I hated going to church, hated the parochial school I went to. I saw the hypocrisy instinctively.....The lies were obvious.
My family and I are somewhat close, but we never talk religion. I do not recognize or practice ANY religion.
I'm generally a happy person, because I am my own "higher power". I control my own destiny.

[Anti-Christ]

Uhhhh, i belive in god but i dont belive in Jesus, he sucks.
And im not Christian, i got my own god.

[Dethscorpion]

I am my own god

[Undies]

Church is boring and i just dont care for religeon.
A Church/youth group called hillsong will brainwash you and not let you leave halfway through so you gotta snap at em to let you out.
my mate was brainwashed and gives me greasy looks cos my eyes are always red for some unknown reason,

[Something Wicked]

I don't have a religion. I just live my life as it goes. I don't hate everyone that belives in god or anything. I belive, I just don't follow.

[Surma]

I personally don't see why I should put my faith in an unseen god and be expected not to question him. The Bible is filled with somany contardictions and creates more questions than answers. Not only that but you just need to look at your own world as well as the world in general to know that things are pretty fucked up anyway.

Personally I support aspects of the idealogy behind church burning but that doesn't mean I endorse it. I BELIEVE RELIGION SHOULD BE EXTERMINATED!!! You can call that close minded if you like but just think how much better off the world would be without. Man should rely on his own convictions to decide what is right and wrong. Only an idiot needs to refer to a book to dictate this to him. If you have any kind of brain then you can figure it out. I also think that religion is responsible for more evil than good.

Of course you got those dumbass bands like Mayhem and Burzum saying they like religion because it represses people and they burn churches to make it stronger. Well whats the point in going against it then? I'm sure Satan is dead chuffed that his worshippers are making his enemies religion stronger!?! But I support the church burning as a method of destroying religion but at the end of the day it doesn't work plus not only that but you're destroying important historical sites and history is far more important than your petty ideals.

I believe this faith shit should be exterminated because then man will actually be able to progress and move forward without worrying about offending religious groups. Why the fuck are they having court cases discussing the existence of evolution? We have fossils dating back millions of years to prove its existence among countless other things.

Sorry about the long rant and believe me I can go on. I'm thinking of posting an essay on the net just for a sense that I've got this bullshit off my chest!

[Satins_rival]

I don't have a religion. I just live my life as it goes. I don't hate everyone that belives in god or anything. I belive, I just don't follow.

we all live our lives as they go, and most of us dont hate people with religions, we just think there really fuckin retarded or annoying... there is no god!!! there is no such proof that god fucked some woman to make jesus either...

[Necromancer]

Well, I hate christianity. I don't hate christians as such, some can be nice people. But some can be total fucking cunts. At Uni there is a table of christians that sit outside the Student Union Building and hand out pamphlets and stuff like that, asking you to go ice skating with them and stuff. But I hate the way they try to convert everyone to their way of thinking. They've done it for centuries, and it pisses me off. But it was a REALLY hot day the other day and the christain table of people were handing out cordial and icy poles if you took a pamphlet. I was very annoyed at this too. But it was quite funny because later on that day I was bagging the shit out of those christians to some friends and there was one right near me that I didn't see! :lol:

[Dethscorpion]

I am replying to a post in the beginning of the thread, about Hitler having no brain. (The quote button was taking forever)

Hitler was one of the smartest men alive; despite whether some think what he did was wrong. He did what he thought was right and I give a lot of respect for a man like that. I am no Nazi, but just a man who respects one of the smartest men alive. He was a genious when it came to war. He had brilliant strategic plans. I think the true reason he commited suicide is because no-one at the time understood him. He had no more left to prove...

I think people need to give him more credit, and more importantly more respect. I await the arguements and whatever else you guys may throw at me.

[Surma]

Though I also disagree with Nazi ideals I do agree with you. I think had he been stupid then he wouldn't have got to power. That and he also wasn't bad at restraining himself. When Neville Chemberlain went over to negotiate, he was fooled into thinking Hitler was a peaceful man that had perfectly fair requests. And there wasn't anything unfair about Hitler's demands. Land had been stolen from Germany and was the main resource for much of Germany's industry.

Many black metal bands admire Hitler because he was 'one of the most evil men alive'!? Hitler wasn't setting out to be seen as evil. He was trying to be Germany's saviour and in a way he was. After the war the other countrys saw that it was better to help a country rather than repress it otherwise there would have just been another Hitler. He wasn't like Stalin whose only interest seemed to be in power as opposed to trying to benefit people. Hitler believed in what he was doing. Lenin believed in what he was doing but Stalin was merely a petty murderer. Not a stupid man either but not interested in benefitting Russia. The same could be said for many dictators, but not Hitler. I admire him for his intelligence, not for the quite frankly disgusting things done in his name. Of course there are so many things I can argue against Hitler and National Socialism that go far beyond Hitler being a murderer but they can do another time as this is a rather long post. Maybe when idiots start accusing me of being a neo-Nazi then I will let them know why I am not one.

[Der_Meister]

The only real problem I see with religions nowadays is the wars that the guys there in middle east fight becouse of it!

[Dethscorpion]

Surprised to see someone being knowledgeable in the subject. :)

[Surma]

I studied 20th Century History at school and we looked a little bit at who Hitler 'the man' was and I just apply to common sense.

Anyway, seeins as this is a religion bashing thread, Christianity is getting a tighter grip upon the world. This sikens me and I will do whatever I can to get rid of. I do realise thought that my ideals are obvioulsy folly but I don't care. I hate religion for the reasons I've stated on this forum and more besides.

[Maggotkill]

I simply don't believe in god. The way christianity is used to control people sickens me.

As Destruction said in "Curse the Gods", I say:

"Allah, Buddha, Jesus Christ
whatever your god may be
forget those idols let me tell you
they're tales of morbid brains"

"curse the gods
too many people have died
curse the gods
that fools have died for a lie"

[Anti-Christ]

Fuck religions, they do not deserve mentioning

[Maggotkill]

That's what my mom says :X

But I say, as one degrades religions and speaks against them, one makes a move to make this world better and with less brainwashing.

[IronPriest]

I should add, I was ripped off by the Toothfairy recently. 8O

Hilarious :)

[Mongol]

I should add, I was ripped off by the Toothfairy recently. 8O

Hilarious :)


Man, this guy knows how make me laugh!

[mischmetall]

i am really beginning to hate these muslims. i don't see their point over killing innocent people and calling it jihad or whatever. it is total bullshit.not all muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are muslims, are'nt they, the jammu and kahmir issue has been there for so long now, its unbelievable how pakistan wants to get control of this state.and what is even more unbelievable is that pakistan and india were one only 60 years back,and now there is such a difference.i hate it.

[Surma]

Well the IRA were actually Catholics. Most terrorist groups have an ideaology but these Muslim ones are just totalitarian bullshitters. Religion in general should be destroyed. Its all bullshit. Anyone heard of an Oxford professor by the name of Richard Dawkins? He is anti-religious beyond words. I take his example and believe in science and self will. I hate to call myself Satanist, but thats the ideal behind the religion-it is a philosophy not technically a religion, so I am more tolerant of Satanists as they don't literally believe in Satan (for the most part). Its all fascinating. Nietzche is also a great man whom I look up to.

[Alfader]

The thing about Muslims that makes them so dangerous, is that they do not accept others than their own. To them all non-Muslims are infidels and inferior, and those who do not belive in Islam must be destroyed - especially the Jews and the western civilization. They obviously want a world consisting of only muslims, and in that way they are pretty equal the the Nazi's.

They have a goal, and a belief that will reward them for their deeds. They are willing to die because of their fucked-up mission, and that's what makes them so dangerious.

[bobofwestoregonusa]

I'm just sick of old ladys harresing me every saturday for being an athiest. I have even gone so far as to go the church (after services of course out respect for the religious and asked to be left alone, but that never worked... so what I did next finally worked. I painted a pentagran on my front door and left a very "threating" note with it (STOP COMING TO MY FUCKING HOUSE OR I WILL FUCKING SACRIFICE YOU YOU FUCKING BITCHES!!!) one saturday afternoon. and I was never botherd by the catholic church again. Of course now they think i'm satanic so it's only a matter of time before a satanic cult comes to recruit me and I'm just gonna have to leave a note threatening to take them to vadacin city and paint a cross on my door... Oh well...


Religion is fucking annoying...

[MetalWarrior]

Yeah I cant stand Christians in general they are fucking hypicritical they walk around thinking they are better then everyone and saying you going to hell if you not a christian but it is right there in their bible that only god shal judge and they walk around judging all.

What really pisses me off are the fuckers that try to convert you and try to preach to you shit I know their damn bible better than they do the fucking thing contradicts itself at every turn. Eye for an Eye no turn the other cheek, you can not possible live you life by the bible if you claim that you do you are a liar.

And those who preach the most usually have the most skeltons in the closet. Now this is somthing I could go on about for ever but I am becomeing angry now thinking about it so I end it here

Fuck you Christians if you son of a bitches are going to Heaven I would rather burn in Hell

[Surma]

Here here!

[Maldoror]

Well Im not one to really "bash" Religion, I usally say live and let live. I dont think pushing religion on others is right, but If you cant make up your own mind about these sort of thing then its your on fault that you get sucked into a religion.

I personally am a Gnostic, I beleilve that the true "God" is incomprehensible to the human mind, and that our material world is a false and illusory world that was created to imprison or souls, and that the only way to bypass this false world we live in is to attain true knowledge. I belive in Jesus but I belive he was just a man and not the son of God, I see him as more of a philosopher, his words were meant to be metaphorical, and not taken literally as so many people do.

[Surma]

Well Im not one to really "bash" Religion, I usally say live and let live. I dont think pushing religion on others is right, but If you cant make up your own mind about these sort of thing then its your on fault that you get sucked into a religion.

I personally am a Gnostic, I beleilve that the true "God" is incomprehensible to the human mind, and that our material world is a false and illusory world that was created to imprison or souls, and that the only way to bypass this false world we live in is to attain true knowledge. I belive in Jesus but I belive he was just a man and not the son of God, I see him as more of a philosopher, his words were meant to be metaphorical, and not taken literally as so many people do.

Gnosticism looks quite interesting. There is also Chaos-Gnosticism, as practisced by Arckanum (excellent band!), which looks interesting. One of my myspace friends has given me a couple of weblinks. I prefer European religion to modern Middle East religions (Islam, Judaism and Christianity are more like an epidemic). America is among the worse places for religion I think, ESPECIALLY middle America. Having a man like George Bush in doesn't help either. I think a political leader should leave religious convictions out of election and let people judge him on how good a leader he is. But instead they judge him on Christian values and shit. A 2 year old could run America better than George Bush! In fact one joke I heard about George Bush was that he knew next to nothing about foreign policy and you know what, all things considering, that seems to be the case. The democrats are too soft too. Your country needs a better political party or for the parties to go back to their roots and rediscover what their aims really are. Same applies to the UK too actually.

[Maldoror]

Well Im not one to really "bash" Religion, I usally say live and let live. I dont think pushing religion on others is right, but If you cant make up your own mind about these sort of thing then its your on fault that you get sucked into a religion.

I personally am a Gnostic, I beleilve that the true "God" is incomprehensible to the human mind, and that our material world is a false and illusory world that was created to imprison or souls, and that the only way to bypass this false world we live in is to attain true knowledge. I belive in Jesus but I belive he was just a man and not the son of God, I see him as more of a philosopher, his words were meant to be metaphorical, and not taken literally as so many people do.

Gnosticism looks quite interesting. There is also Chaos-Gnosticism, as practisced by Arckanum (excellent band!), which looks interesting. One of my myspace friends has given me a couple of weblinks. I prefer European religion to modern Middle East religions (Islam, Judaism and Christianity are more like an epidemic). America is among the worse places for religion I think, ESPECIALLY middle America. Having a man like George Bush in doesn't help either. I think a political leader should leave religious convictions out of election and let people judge him on how good a leader he is. But instead they judge him on Christian values and shit. A 2 year old could run America better than George Bush! In fact one joke I heard about George Bush was that he knew next to nothing about foreign policy and you know what, all things considering, that seems to be the case. The democrats are too soft too. Your country needs a better political party or for the parties to go back to their roots and rediscover what their aims really are. Same applies to the UK too actually.

Ah Chaos-Gnosticism, Ive done a little reading on this, the main group behind it is The Misanthropic Luciferian Order, I find what I read pretty intresting it seems kind of radical even by Gnostic standereds. I was intresed in reading more about it but there are only two books that have been put out by The Misanthropic Luciferian Order and they are not in english, so I guess I just have to wait till someone gets off there ass and translatse it. Oh well. And yeah politics in my country are really messed up I am not a Bush fan but he is going to be gone soon, we have many much bigger problems with our system right now that are going to cuase big trouble in the next few decades.

[Surma]

Well Im not one to really "bash" Religion, I usally say live and let live. I dont think pushing religion on others is right, but If you cant make up your own mind about these sort of thing then its your on fault that you get sucked into a religion.

I personally am a Gnostic, I beleilve that the true "God" is incomprehensible to the human mind, and that our material world is a false and illusory world that was created to imprison or souls, and that the only way to bypass this false world we live in is to attain true knowledge. I belive in Jesus but I belive he was just a man and not the son of God, I see him as more of a philosopher, his words were meant to be metaphorical, and not taken literally as so many people do.

Gnosticism looks quite interesting. There is also Chaos-Gnosticism, as practisced by Arckanum (excellent band!), which looks interesting. One of my myspace friends has given me a couple of weblinks. I prefer European religion to modern Middle East religions (Islam, Judaism and Christianity are more like an epidemic). America is among the worse places for religion I think, ESPECIALLY middle America. Having a man like George Bush in doesn't help either. I think a political leader should leave religious convictions out of election and let people judge him on how good a leader he is. But instead they judge him on Christian values and shit. A 2 year old could run America better than George Bush! In fact one joke I heard about George Bush was that he knew next to nothing about foreign policy and you know what, all things considering, that seems to be the case. The democrats are too soft too. Your country needs a better political party or for the parties to go back to their roots and rediscover what their aims really are. Same applies to the UK too actually.

Ah Chaos-Gnosticism, Ive done a little reading on this, the main group behind it is The Misanthropic Luciferian Order, I find what I read pretty intresting it seems kind of radical even by Gnostic standereds. I was intresed in reading more about it but there are only two books that have been put out by The Misanthropic Luciferian Order and they are not in english, so I guess I just have to wait till someone gets off there ass and translatse it. Oh well. And yeah politics in my country are really messed up I am not a Bush fan but he is going to be gone soon, we have many much bigger problems with our system right now that are going to cuase big trouble in the next few decades.

A lot of American's aren't anymore anyway, even his supporters. Fingers crossed at the mid term ellections you'll get some democrats in power. I'm not Mr Liberal or anything, but rather them than the current regime. I'll have to look for books on Chaos-Gnosticism. Just wondering, what language are these books printed in and where did you find out more about it?

[Maldoror]

Well Im not one to really "bash" Religion, I usally say live and let live. I dont think pushing religion on others is right, but If you cant make up your own mind about these sort of thing then its your on fault that you get sucked into a religion.

I personally am a Gnostic, I beleilve that the true "God" is incomprehensible to the human mind, and that our material world is a false and illusory world that was created to imprison or souls, and that the only way to bypass this false world we live in is to attain true knowledge. I belive in Jesus but I belive he was just a man and not the son of God, I see him as more of a philosopher, his words were meant to be metaphorical, and not taken literally as so many people do.

Gnosticism looks quite interesting. There is also Chaos-Gnosticism, as practisced by Arckanum (excellent band!), which looks interesting. One of my myspace friends has given me a couple of weblinks. I prefer European religion to modern Middle East religions (Islam, Judaism and Christianity are more like an epidemic). America is among the worse places for religion I think, ESPECIALLY middle America. Having a man like George Bush in doesn't help either. I think a political leader should leave religious convictions out of election and let people judge him on how good a leader he is. But instead they judge him on Christian values and shit. A 2 year old could run America better than George Bush! In fact one joke I heard about George Bush was that he knew next to nothing about foreign policy and you know what, all things considering, that seems to be the case. The democrats are too soft too. Your country needs a better political party or for the parties to go back to their roots and rediscover what their aims really are. Same applies to the UK too actually.

Ah Chaos-Gnosticism, Ive done a little reading on this, the main group behind it is The Misanthropic Luciferian Order, I find what I read pretty intresting it seems kind of radical even by Gnostic standereds. I was intresed in reading more about it but there are only two books that have been put out by The Misanthropic Luciferian Order and they are not in english, so I guess I just have to wait till someone gets off there ass and translatse it. Oh well. And yeah politics in my country are really messed up I am not a Bush fan but he is going to be gone soon, we have many much bigger problems with our system right now that are going to cuase big trouble in the next few decades.

A lot of American's aren't anymore anyway, even his supporters. Fingers crossed at the mid term ellections you'll get some democrats in power. I'm not Mr Liberal or anything, but rather them than the current regime. I'll have to look for books on Chaos-Gnosticism. Just wondering, what language are these books printed in and where did you find out more about it?

Well I am Mr Ultra-Liberal so I dont really think democrats go far enough, but whatever Im pretty jaded with our whole stupid system.
Anyway Magister Nemidial the grandmaster of The Misanthropic Luciferian Order has a book called "Liber Azerate: The Book of Wrathful Chaos" that is aprently only in Swedish and Norwegian, so If you can read either of those Im sure you can order a copy from there website, other wise if you just want to read about the basic stuff right now Wikipedia has a very long and informtive (if not so well written) article about The Misanthropic Luciferian Order and that where I frist read about it and there basic veiws.

[bobofwestoregonusa]

Well Im not one to really "bash" Religion, I usally say live and let live. I dont think pushing religion on others is right, but If you cant make up your own mind about these sort of thing then its your on fault that you get sucked into a religion.

I personally am a Gnostic, I beleilve that the true "God" is incomprehensible to the human mind, and that our material world is a false and illusory world that was created to imprison or souls, and that the only way to bypass this false world we live in is to attain true knowledge. I belive in Jesus but I belive he was just a man and not the son of God, I see him as more of a philosopher, his words were meant to be metaphorical, and not taken literally as so many people do.

I don't belive in any of that personally, I know science is the only truth.

[Surma]

Well Im not one to really "bash" Religion, I usally say live and let live. I dont think pushing religion on others is right, but If you cant make up your own mind about these sort of thing then its your on fault that you get sucked into a religion.

I personally am a Gnostic, I beleilve that the true "God" is incomprehensible to the human mind, and that our material world is a false and illusory world that was created to imprison or souls, and that the only way to bypass this false world we live in is to attain true knowledge. I belive in Jesus but I belive he was just a man and not the son of God, I see him as more of a philosopher, his words were meant to be metaphorical, and not taken literally as so many people do.

Gnosticism looks quite interesting. There is also Chaos-Gnosticism, as practisced by Arckanum (excellent band!), which looks interesting. One of my myspace friends has given me a couple of weblinks. I prefer European religion to modern Middle East religions (Islam, Judaism and Christianity are more like an epidemic). America is among the worse places for religion I think, ESPECIALLY middle America. Having a man like George Bush in doesn't help either. I think a political leader should leave religious convictions out of election and let people judge him on how good a leader he is. But instead they judge him on Christian values and shit. A 2 year old could run America better than George Bush! In fact one joke I heard about George Bush was that he knew next to nothing about foreign policy and you know what, all things considering, that seems to be the case. The democrats are too soft too. Your country needs a better political party or for the parties to go back to their roots and rediscover what their aims really are. Same applies to the UK too actually.

Ah Chaos-Gnosticism, Ive done a little reading on this, the main group behind it is The Misanthropic Luciferian Order, I find what I read pretty intresting it seems kind of radical even by Gnostic standereds. I was intresed in reading more about it but there are only two books that have been put out by The Misanthropic Luciferian Order and they are not in english, so I guess I just have to wait till someone gets off there ass and translatse it. Oh well. And yeah politics in my country are really messed up I am not a Bush fan but he is going to be gone soon, we have many much bigger problems with our system right now that are going to cuase big trouble in the next few decades.

A lot of American's aren't anymore anyway, even his supporters. Fingers crossed at the mid term ellections you'll get some democrats in power. I'm not Mr Liberal or anything, but rather them than the current regime. I'll have to look for books on Chaos-Gnosticism. Just wondering, what language are these books printed in and where did you find out more about it?

Well I am Mr Ultra-Liberal so I dont really think democrats go far enough, but whatever Im pretty jaded with our whole stupid system.
Anyway Magister Nemidial the grandmaster of The Misanthropic Luciferian Order has a book called "Liber Azerate: The Book of Wrathful Chaos" that is aprently only in Swedish and Norwegian, so If you can read either of those Im sure you can order a copy from there website, other wise if you just want to read about the basic stuff right now Wikipedia has a very long and informtive (if not so well written) article about The Misanthropic Luciferian Order and that where I frist read about it and there basic veiws.

Sounds good. Personally in relation to your libral ideas, I'll respond by saying that I am perhaps a little more right wing, but every man to his own. I just think liberalism is unrealistic and wants everyone holding hands and singing merrily and thats unrealistic. The right seems more realistic and seems to want to sort out the root of the problem, although looking at the Bush adminstration, this is the wrong way to do it and they justified religion to commit their attrocities. Religion shouldn't enter politics!

[Maldoror]

Oh Deffently Politics and religion should not be mixed. As for liberals wanting everyone to get along and what not, I agree that is unrealistic, but Im a ratical libral, not a new age hippie, my ideals lay to the far far left, but Id rather not descuss my politics in a public fourm to any great detail, just a somewhat parnoid habit of mine.

[Alfader]

Are you a leftist?

[Maldoror]

Are you a leftist?

um yeah, wait, what does it mean to be a leftist in your country? It might mean something very deffrent to me being from the USA than it does over there.

[Surma]

Are you a leftist?

um yeah, wait, what does it mean to be a leftist in your country? It might mean something very deffrent to me being from the USA than it does over there.

Being extremely leftist basically means you're a Marxist/Communist. I just prefer the right because it gets things done. People should be allowed to express themselves of course, but still I am no way a lefty. Actually I don't know if I'm entirely right either. I just opinions on whatever. But I don't think I'm a liberal. I'm quite nationalistic and want England to be England, not just some poodle to America. I like the fact that my country and many North European countrys have an aura of age surrounding them and I don't want to lose that due to Americanisation or Shariah law or whatever!

[Maldoror]

Ah Well I would say my political veiws are that of Socialism yes. But I am also a realist I relize that at this point in history that humans as a whole are not socially evoluved enough to make a complex political and social system like Socialism work effectively. I remain hopeful for the future though, but I probably will not see an effective socialist system arise in my lifetime.

[judian]

i myself tend to the right, i am religius (not artodox).
all of you missed a very important point about religion: if you dont count the raticals and the ass-hole preachers, the 4 monoteistic religion's (christianity, iskam, jewdaizm and budahizm) are sets of moral rules wich modern siciaty is based upon.

[Seb]

i myself tend to the right, i am religius (not artodox).
all of you missed a very important point about religion: if you dont count the raticals and the ass-hole preachers, the 4 monoteistic religion's (christianity, iskam, jewdaizm and budahizm) are sets of moral rules wich modern siciaty is based upon.

It's just because they reached a level where they have enough addicts and money to become moral and human... they all used to be killing sects like each and every religion I think. History told it imo.
Anyway, I thought Buddhism was more a philosophic way of life than a religion... am I wrong ? The question is for the Indians among us (sorry if you already answered before, I didn't read all of previous posts... I confess)

[Maldoror]

i myself tend to the right, i am religius (not artodox).
all of you missed a very important point about religion: if you dont count the raticals and the ass-hole preachers, the 4 monoteistic religion's (christianity, iskam, jewdaizm and budahizm) are sets of moral rules wich modern siciaty is based upon.

point taken. But I would just like to point out that Buddhism isnt a monoteistic religion, it is non-theistic and more over it isnt really a religion. It is a philosophy outlining a way of life. There are also many other monotheistic religions besides just the 3 Abrahamic religions, including Zoroastrianism (the frist major monotheistic religion), Bahá'í, and Sikhism being the other major ones.

[Surma]

i myself tend to the right, i am religius (not artodox).
all of you missed a very important point about religion: if you dont count the raticals and the ass-hole preachers, the 4 monoteistic religion's (christianity, iskam, jewdaizm and budahizm) are sets of moral rules wich modern siciaty is based upon.

point taken. But I would just like to point out that Buddhism isnt a monoteistic religion, it is non-theistic and more over it isnt really a religion. It is a philosophy outlining a way of life. There are also many other monotheistic religions besides just the 3 Abrahamic religions, including Zoroastrianism (the frist major monotheistic religion), Bahá'í, and Sikhism being the other major ones.

Zoroathastrianism never really took off though. I remember hearing that at one point it was the main rival for Islam, but ultimately it failed, but we still have some of the documents anyway.

[elcapitan]

Here is my read if anyone is listening...
First, (for the majority) the religion you practice is dictated by where you are born...It is no coincidence that in a predominantly christian country, you are likely to grow up and become christian. I'm not saying that statement is all that intuitive, but it just seems crazy that idiots like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson are 'declaring war' on Islam, when they themselves would likely be Muslim if they were born in Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc.
Second, why is christianity trickling into the U.S. government? Our country was founded by pilgrims who were escaping religious persecution and decidely made this country free, not to mention the native americans, who were purely spiritual and rejected organized religion, as well as our constitution writers, who were predominantly athiest, and also rejected religion!
Third, the cut-and-dry nature of organized religion ignores the situationality of real life. For example, consider one of the ten commandments "thou shalt not kill'. This statement doesn't appear to have much grey area, but what about real life? It is generally accepted by society that if you are getting raped and may get killed, but you kill that person (i.e. self-defense), you are not a cold-blooded killer, and have not committed a sin. OK...but what about soldiers in war? Many soldiers that have gone on the front lines have killed in self-defense...but not every person killed in war was through self-defense. However, we would not consider the soldiers cold-blooded killers, either, and say they did what they needed to do. Now can someone please tell me exactly where religion stands on these 'acceptable killings'? If you read the bible, it seems pretty clear, but for anyone that has gone to church recently, you may notice preachers making a career of loosening these standards, and 'graying' the areas where the bible is black and white.
Fourth, what happens when entire cultures of people engage in activities which they consider acceptable, but other cultures consider them 'sinning'? Is the entire culture doomed to hell, or will they only have to sizzle for a few in purgatory?
Fifth (and somewhat related to four), are sinners that are thrust into this life still doing wrong? Is someone who gets beat by their parents all their life, and grow up to be a violent person, a sinner? Well, I thought they don't know any better! It seems as though 'righteous actions' are a luxury that only few can afford.

What am I trying to say? Possibly that I am smart enough to know that I am too stupid to understand religion, spirituality, or any of the dumbass questions that people try to ask (Why am I here? Where do I go when I die?, etc.)

[Alfader]

it just seems crazy that idiots like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson are 'declaring war' on Islam, when they themselves would likely be Muslim if they were born in Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc.

I'm sure if people hates Islam of all their heart, they probably would if they were born in a muslim country too - maybe even more. Unless they grew up being brainwashed as the majority does. But why think so hypothetical? Your hypothetis is like saying "it's crazy taking showers when I'm going to get dirty afterwards" or "it's crazy living when I'm going to die anyway".

[elcapitan]

it just seems crazy that idiots like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson are 'declaring war' on Islam, when they themselves would likely be Muslim if they were born in Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc.

I'm sure if people hates Islam of all their heart, they probably would if they were born in a muslim country too - maybe even more. Unless they grew up being brainwashed as the majority does. But why think so hypothetical? Your hypothetis is like saying "it's crazy taking showers when I'm going to get dirty afterwards" or "it's crazy living when I'm going to die anyway".

Everything I mentioned (with the exception of the U.S. government) had to do with the situationality of real life, as opposed to the cut and dry nature of religion.

As for Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, I would fully expect them, assuming they were born in a predominantly Muslim country to be part of the jihad, as that is the types of people they are.

[Seb]

As for Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, I would fully expect them, assuming they were born in a predominantly Muslim country to be part of the jihad, as that is the types of people they are.

I have to agree with that. A religious activist or integrist would always be a religious activist wherever he would come from, no matter the religion. What's important for them is their 'faith', and this one depends on what is the main religion in their era, nothing more in my opinion.
In the same vein, a klanist-brain would probably kill christians and white peoples if it was born in a Kenyan's head.

[MetalWarrior]

Oraganized Religion is for the weak minded

[Surma]

it just seems crazy that idiots like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson are 'declaring war' on Islam, when they themselves would likely be Muslim if they were born in Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc.

I'm sure if people hates Islam of all their heart, they probably would if they were born in a muslim country too - maybe even more. Unless they grew up being brainwashed as the majority does. But why think so hypothetical? Your hypothetis is like saying "it's crazy taking showers when I'm going to get dirty afterwards" or "it's crazy living when I'm going to die anyway".

This should really ruffle some feathers. GET OUT OF EUROPE YOU MUSLIM FUKKS!!! If you watch the English one just look at what they have to say about Denmark and what they're doing in Sweden:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byQD8VPhvdM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKUoxbR9mwA&mode=related&search=

Bastards.

[Alfader]

Yeah, I've seen that video before. I'm glad we offended them, and what's funny is that nothing never really happened. What annoys me though, is that they speak so undisguised about their intentions, but the man on the street keeps ignoring the problem.

It's pretty paradoxical that they, the scum of earth, that breeds like sewer rats and live like them too, thinks they are the superior. Though, I'm sure the day will come when people have had enough of them, and something will happen. The hatred towards them is growing rapidly, and not many with just a little love for their country wants them to stay.

An easy way of getting rid of them for good, would be by bombing Mecca. I can't believe it haven't been attempted before, it's almost irresistible.

[Surma]

Bombing Mecca would be a good idea, though that would probably start a war. I think it will eventually erupt into violence and riots if you ask me.

Perhaps instead of church burning we should burn down the mosques. Apparantly they're trying to build a mosque in London, which if completed will be the biggest religious building in Europe. Talk about attracting the scum of the Earth! I do have a personal friend who is a Muslim, but he's not an arrogant prick like this lot at least. I'd rather he wasn't one but I tend to put the religious factor aside. But yes I can atleast tolerate Christianity to a degree even if it destroyed my culture, but I'm fed up with these Muslim assholes. The police should have turned that demonstration into a Tianmon square and slaughtered them. I'm fed up with these people and if I had my way I would have the bastards deported. If they don't like our way of doing things, don't live here.

[mischmetall]

This shows how bad a thing religion is. At some point of time, I had some sympathy for Muslims living in India, I though they were a minority and suffered a great deal here. It seems I was wrong. Now they try to 'conquer' J&K. And who knows, the next time they come with nukes.

[Surma]

I always thought Asatru was among the best religious groups because it taught respect and honour as well as respect for nature as well as being rather tolerant of other religions, saying that you are part of the land and not above it. Middle Eastern religion teaches that mankind is above it when it is clearly not. These religions make man arrogant and European faith makes us respectful. I am also tolerant of Satanism as that teaches individuality and thinking for yourself, but I relate more to the beliefs of my forefathers.

[Alfader]

I always thought Asatru was among the best religious groups because it taught respect and honour as well as respect for nature as well as being rather tolerant of other religions, saying that you are part of the land and not above it. Middle Eastern religion teaches that mankind is above it when it is clearly not. These religions make man arrogant and European faith makes us respectful. I am also tolerant of Satanism as that teaches individuality and thinking for yourself, but I relate more to the beliefs of my forefathers.

Well said.

[Alfader]

Bombing Mecca would be a good idea, though that would probably start a war. I think it will eventually erupt into violence and riots if you ask me.

Perhaps instead of church burning we should burn down the mosques. Apparantly they're trying to build a mosque in London, which if completed will be the biggest religious building in Europe. Talk about attracting the scum of the Earth! I do have a personal friend who is a Muslim, but he's not an arrogant prick like this lot at least. I'd rather he wasn't one but I tend to put the religious factor aside. But yes I can atleast tolerate Christianity to a degree even if it destroyed my culture, but I'm fed up with these Muslim assholes. The police should have turned that demonstration into a Tianmon square and slaughtered them. I'm fed up with these people and if I had my way I would have the bastards deported. If they don't like our way of doing things, don't live here.

Yes, bombing Mecca would probably start a war, but if we're already in a war with them, there's several millions less to deal with. And I think smaller riots are easier to deal with than a possible nuclear war.

Christianity did destroy the North European culture, but that's history and there's nothing we can do about it. Though, since the Muslims haven't taken over yet, there's still hope. We can't change history, but we can prevent something from happening.

[Surma]

I'd probably laugh my ass off if we did bomb Mecca though and shout at the screen "Take that you fucks!!!" :twisted:

No we cannot change history but we can stop the Muslims!!! Perhaps we should start some sort of campaign to get them out of Europe. Is there some sort of BNP equivalent in Denmark?

[GOATKILLER]

the last pope died on my birthday and i broke my arm on his funeral day
fuck ya

[Necromancer]

Whoa...why would you do that?

[IronPriest]

What a stupid subject to be talking about. I don't care for muslim extremists myself but I don't think slaughtering all muslims is the answer.

[Surma]

I should have cut myself for the pope's funeral, but I was in the college common room, so that would probably have been frowned upon to say the least!

[Alfader]

I'd probably laugh my ass off if we did bomb Mecca though and shout at the screen "Take that you fucks!!!" :twisted:

No we cannot change history but we can stop the Muslims!!! Perhaps we should start some sort of campaign to get them out of Europe. Is there some sort of BNP equivalent in Denmark?

We have quite a few organizations trying to get rid of them, but of course the left wing tries to make it look all nazi, which scares the man on the street - because our country was once taken by the German nazis - unless he isn't too naive to see what they really are like.

A left wing newspaper once accused a nationalistic - and sceptical over for immigration - organization simply called 'The Danish Organization', founded by Danish WWII veterans, for being national socialistic. The irony in this case just showed what they really were trying to do. They wanted nothing but to represent the organization as being nazi, but of course they got offended, so they sued them and won the case.

Other examples are the active leftists, who refuse to mention any rightist as nothing but nazi, so the man the street will get the impression that they really are nazis.

The media has an important role too, because they tend to do exactly the same, if they have even shown the right wing side of the case. For example, the same newspaper that once accused The Danish Organization for being nazi, once interviewed an infamous leftist about a right wing organization called 'Danish Front'. Why didn't they just interview the organization itself, or atleast interviewed them about a left wing organization?

It's like a smear campaign against the right wing, but luckily it looks like things will get better in the future, since people have started to open their eyes. Both against the immigrants and the leftists.

[Asura]

A funny evidence of Muslim ignorance from India-


A few days ago vaccines were given against poliomyeletis to under 5 children in India.The vaccines are known as polio-M (M for monovalent strain of the virus).. The Muslims didnt get the vaccine for their Children..THE REASON..THEY SAID M IN THE VACCINE STANDS FOR MUSLIM..and if it was given to their childre they would become infertile..the Govt.of India tried to convince them but their shitty bminds wont listen.The result-New Polio Cases from those areas

[IronPriest]

I'd probably laugh my ass off if we did bomb Mecca though and shout at the screen "Take that you fucks!!!" :twisted:

No we cannot change history but we can stop the Muslims!!! Perhaps we should start some sort of campaign to get them out of Europe. Is there some sort of BNP equivalent in Denmark?

We have quite a few organizations trying to get rid of them, but of course the left wing tries to make it look all nazi, which scares the man on the street - because our country was once taken by the German nazis - unless he isn't too naive to see what they really are like.

A left wing newspaper once accused a nationalistic - and sceptical over for immigration - organization simply called 'The Danish Organization', founded by Danish WWII veterans, for being national socialistic. The irony in this case just showed what they really were trying to do. They wanted nothing but to represent the organization as being nazi, but of course they got offended, so they sued them and won the case.

Other examples are the active leftists, who refuse to mention any rightist as nothing but nazi, so the man the street will get the impression that they really are nazis.

The media has an important role too, because they tend to do exactly the same, if they have even shown the right wing side of the case. For example, the same newspaper that once accused The Danish Organization for being nazi, once interviewed an infamous leftist about a right wing organization called 'Danish Front'. Why didn't they just interview the organization itself, or atleast interviewed them about a left wing organization?

It's like a smear campaign against the right wing, but luckily it looks like things will get better in the future, since people have started to open their eyes. Both against the immigrants and the leftists.

Yeah, you lost me... :roll:

[Necromancer]

A funny evidence of Muslim ignorance from India-


A few days ago vaccines were given against poliomyeletis to under 5 children in India.The vaccines are known as polio-M (M for monovalent strain of the virus).. The Muslims didnt get the vaccine for their Children..THE REASON..THEY SAID M IN THE VACCINE STANDS FOR MUSLIM..and if it was given to their childre they would become infertile..the Govt.of India tried to convince them but their shitty bminds wont listen.The result-New Polio Cases from those areas

Serves them right *rolls eyes*

[Alfader]

I'd probably laugh my ass off if we did bomb Mecca though and shout at the screen "Take that you fucks!!!" :twisted:

No we cannot change history but we can stop the Muslims!!! Perhaps we should start some sort of campaign to get them out of Europe. Is there some sort of BNP equivalent in Denmark?

We have quite a few organizations trying to get rid of them, but of course the left wing tries to make it look all nazi, which scares the man on the street - because our country was once taken by the German nazis - unless he isn't too naive to see what they really are like.

A left wing newspaper once accused a nationalistic - and sceptical over for immigration - organization simply called 'The Danish Organization', founded by Danish WWII veterans, for being national socialistic. The irony in this case just showed what they really were trying to do. They wanted nothing but to represent the organization as being nazi, but of course they got offended, so they sued them and won the case.

Other examples are the active leftists, who refuse to mention any rightist as nothing but nazi, so the man the street will get the impression that they really are nazis.

The media has an important role too, because they tend to do exactly the same, if they have even shown the right wing side of the case. For example, the same newspaper that once accused The Danish Organization for being nazi, once interviewed an infamous leftist about a right wing organization called 'Danish Front'. Why didn't they just interview the organization itself, or atleast interviewed them about a left wing organization?

It's like a smear campaign against the right wing, but luckily it looks like things will get better in the future, since people have started to open their eyes. Both against the immigrants and the leftists.

Yeah, you lost me... :roll:

I didn't expect anything else, since it isn't the US or Israel we're talking about.

[IronPriest]

I'd probably laugh my ass off if we did bomb Mecca though and shout at the screen "Take that you fucks!!!" :twisted:

No we cannot change history but we can stop the Muslims!!! Perhaps we should start some sort of campaign to get them out of Europe. Is there some sort of BNP equivalent in Denmark?

We have quite a few organizations trying to get rid of them, but of course the left wing tries to make it look all nazi, which scares the man on the street - because our country was once taken by the German nazis - unless he isn't too naive to see what they really are like.

A left wing newspaper once accused a nationalistic - and sceptical over for immigration - organization simply called 'The Danish Organization', founded by Danish WWII veterans, for being national socialistic. The irony in this case just showed what they really were trying to do. They wanted nothing but to represent the organization as being nazi, but of course they got offended, so they sued them and won the case.

Other examples are the active leftists, who refuse to mention any rightist as nothing but nazi, so the man the street will get the impression that they really are nazis.

The media has an important role too, because they tend to do exactly the same, if they have even shown the right wing side of the case. For example, the same newspaper that once accused The Danish Organization for being nazi, once interviewed an infamous leftist about a right wing organization called 'Danish Front'. Why didn't they just interview the organization itself, or atleast interviewed them about a left wing organization?

It's like a smear campaign against the right wing, but luckily it looks like things will get better in the future, since people have started to open their eyes. Both against the immigrants and the leftists.

Yeah, you lost me... :roll:

I didn't expect anything else, since it isn't the US or Israel we're talking about.

Oh snap! Well good luck with your Holucaust

[Alfader]

I'd probably laugh my ass off if we did bomb Mecca though and shout at the screen "Take that you fucks!!!" :twisted:

No we cannot change history but we can stop the Muslims!!! Perhaps we should start some sort of campaign to get them out of Europe. Is there some sort of BNP equivalent in Denmark?

We have quite a few organizations trying to get rid of them, but of course the left wing tries to make it look all nazi, which scares the man on the street - because our country was once taken by the German nazis - unless he isn't too naive to see what they really are like.

A left wing newspaper once accused a nationalistic - and sceptical over for immigration - organization simply called 'The Danish Organization', founded by Danish WWII veterans, for being national socialistic. The irony in this case just showed what they really were trying to do. They wanted nothing but to represent the organization as being nazi, but of course they got offended, so they sued them and won the case.

Other examples are the active leftists, who refuse to mention any rightist as nothing but nazi, so the man the street will get the impression that they really are nazis.

The media has an important role too, because they tend to do exactly the same, if they have even shown the right wing side of the case. For example, the same newspaper that once accused The Danish Organization for being nazi, once interviewed an infamous leftist about a right wing organization called 'Danish Front'. Why didn't they just interview the organization itself, or atleast interviewed them about a left wing organization?

It's like a smear campaign against the right wing, but luckily it looks like things will get better in the future, since people have started to open their eyes. Both against the immigrants and the leftists.

Yeah, you lost me... :roll:

I didn't expect anything else, since it isn't the US or Israel we're talking about.

Oh snap! Well good luck with your Holucaust

Holocaust? Luckily we're never gonna get as far as Israel or USA - the racial and cultural blender. Your people are dying.

[Surma]

I think the left tends to be rather namby pamby think that everyone can just get along and hold hands and tries to acheive that. I think the right is realistic and concentrates on what they know needs to be done. Trouble is in England they've all become one in an attempt to win votes among the minority races and PC types.

[mischmetall]

Though I am not in favour of religions in general , but the mythological aspect of some religions is really very fascinating to me. Mythology is always very interesting and pleasing, but using it in religion and fooling people is not. I wish that the hindu mythology had remained hindu mythology and had not become the hindu religion, people running after religion is so annoying really.

[IronPriest]

I'd probably laugh my ass off if we did bomb Mecca though and shout at the screen "Take that you fucks!!!" :twisted:

No we cannot change history but we can stop the Muslims!!! Perhaps we should start some sort of campaign to get them out of Europe. Is there some sort of BNP equivalent in Denmark?

We have quite a few organizations trying to get rid of them, but of course the left wing tries to make it look all nazi, which scares the man on the street - because our country was once taken by the German nazis - unless he isn't too naive to see what they really are like.

A left wing newspaper once accused a nationalistic - and sceptical over for immigration - organization simply called 'The Danish Organization', founded by Danish WWII veterans, for being national socialistic. The irony in this case just showed what they really were trying to do. They wanted nothing but to represent the organization as being nazi, but of course they got offended, so they sued them and won the case.

Other examples are the active leftists, who refuse to mention any rightist as nothing but nazi, so the man the street will get the impression that they really are nazis.

The media has an important role too, because they tend to do exactly the same, if they have even shown the right wing side of the case. For example, the same newspaper that once accused The Danish Organization for being nazi, once interviewed an infamous leftist about a right wing organization called 'Danish Front'. Why didn't they just interview the organization itself, or atleast interviewed them about a left wing organization?

It's like a smear campaign against the right wing, but luckily it looks like things will get better in the future, since people have started to open their eyes. Both against the immigrants and the leftists.

Yeah, you lost me... :roll:

I didn't expect anything else, since it isn't the US or Israel we're talking about.

Oh snap! Well good luck with your Holucaust

Holocaust? Luckily we're never gonna get as far as Israel or USA - the racial and cultural blender. Your people are dying.

Even though you hate Jews and think you know anything about Israel and it's history, it's all good because people that think like you are few. Our people are dying? If your talking about Jews, well... we've been slaughtered, enslaved, and tortured for all of time...and we are still here, and we are still strong, even stronger than most European countries, so I don't think we are dying or going anywhere anytime soon. As for America...we're doing just fine.

I don't agree with religion bashing...The message religions speak are for the most part good, it's people that twist them and screw things up, but the idea is pure.

[Alfader]

I'd probably laugh my ass off if we did bomb Mecca though and shout at the screen "Take that you fucks!!!" :twisted:

No we cannot change history but we can stop the Muslims!!! Perhaps we should start some sort of campaign to get them out of Europe. Is there some sort of BNP equivalent in Denmark?

We have quite a few organizations trying to get rid of them, but of course the left wing tries to make it look all nazi, which scares the man on the street - because our country was once taken by the German nazis - unless he isn't too naive to see what they really are like.

A left wing newspaper once accused a nationalistic - and sceptical over for immigration - organization simply called 'The Danish Organization', founded by Danish WWII veterans, for being national socialistic. The irony in this case just showed what they really were trying to do. They wanted nothing but to represent the organization as being nazi, but of course they got offended, so they sued them and won the case.

Other examples are the active leftists, who refuse to mention any rightist as nothing but nazi, so the man the street will get the impression that they really are nazis.

The media has an important role too, because they tend to do exactly the same, if they have even shown the right wing side of the case. For example, the same newspaper that once accused The Danish Organization for being nazi, once interviewed an infamous leftist about a right wing organization called 'Danish Front'. Why didn't they just interview the organization itself, or atleast interviewed them about a left wing organization?

It's like a smear campaign against the right wing, but luckily it looks like things will get better in the future, since people have started to open their eyes. Both against the immigrants and the leftists.

Yeah, you lost me... :roll:

I didn't expect anything else, since it isn't the US or Israel we're talking about.

Oh snap! Well good luck with your Holucaust

Holocaust? Luckily we're never gonna get as far as Israel or USA - the racial and cultural blender. Your people are dying.

Even though you hate Jews and think you know anything about Israel and it's history, it's all good because people that think like you are few. Our people are dying? If your talking about Jews, well... we've been slaughtered, enslaved, and tortured for all of time...and we are still here, and we are still strong, even stronger than most European countries, so I don't think we are dying or going anywhere anytime soon. As for America...we're doing just fine.

I don't agree with religion bashing...The message religions speak are for the most part good, it's people that twist them and screw things up, but the idea is pure.

I've never said I know everything about Jews and Israel, that must be your own imagination, but I know what is worth to know. The jews may not be dying, because Judaism is a religion and not a race, so there'll probably always be some around as with Christians, but their land is. It's getting smaller and smaller from the pressure of the Muslims, as you mentioned yourself.

Concerning the Americans, they are a dying people, because they let everyone into their so called country. Soon there will be no real American left, only mixed breeds. And there is nothing to do about it, because they have already let so many in that they are at the point of no return. It would be too many to kick out.

[Surma]

I can't fuly understand what the definition of real American as to me that would be more represented by the natives, whom the white man more or less wiped out. America in history has also been seen as a land of immigration and as it doesn't really have any ancient culture it needs to preserve like European countries, there is no deeper culture to destroy, unlike the culture of the Germanic peoples we would lose or the culture of the ancient Slavs which would be wiped out if the Muslims took over. We've already seen it once with the Christian invasion.

I personally believe that this is not just immature religion bashing and more of a healthy debate. Who defines what is offensive to other religions? We can't just censor ourselves because we might happen to be offending a religion because then overt PC-ness limits our freedom of speech. And also Jews are not unique in enslavement etc. The same is applicable to more or less all cultures due to an invading army. The Britons enslaved by Romans, Blacks enslaved by the English etc.

[elcapitan]

I can't fuly understand what the definition of real American as to me that would be more represented by the natives, whom the white man more or less wiped out. America in history has also been seen as a land of immigration and as it doesn't really have any ancient culture it needs to preserve like European countries, there is no deeper culture to destroy, unlike the culture of the Germanic peoples we would lose or the culture of the ancient Slavs which would be wiped out if the Muslims took over. We've already seen it once with the Christian invasion.

I personally believe that this is not just immature religion bashing and more of a healthy debate. Who defines what is offensive to other religions? We can't just censor ourselves because we might happen to be offending a religion because then overt PC-ness limits our freedom of speech. And also Jews are not unique in enslavement etc. The same is applicable to more or less all cultures due to an invading army. The Britons enslaved by Romans, Blacks enslaved by the English etc.
I was just about to post a similar response. Don't forget that only a few years ago, 'mixed breeds' consisted of someone having a german father and english mother, etc. Not to mention, an italian may be considered a 'mixed breed' by having a sicilian father and a roman mother. Now, I would suppose Alfader's definition of mixed breeding is Hispanic/Black and White. But what about someone having english and russian descent. Is that considered a mixed breed? Honestly, I would say that the entire world population is eventually heading towards becoming 'mixed breeds', but the American is simply on the fast track. And quite frankly, I think that's great. As much as some people hate, there is no scientific proof that mixed breeding is detrimental, but may actually be beneficial (such as increasing resistance to race-specific ailments).
As for the immigration debate, unless we (as Americans) are full-blooded native americans, we are all illegal immigrants. What right to we have to wall off the country to mexicans that have proven themselves as extremely hard workers? If we are a dying breed, then it is only our fault. China, India, and multiple other countries are becoming the scientific and engineering centers of the world, simply because their population is so competant in these areas, while Americans are too lazy to work more than 37.5 hours/week or to get out of bed and go to class. Not to mention that we as Americans must use antiquated methods to vote, simply because we are too stupid to vote electronically, which is obviously more efficient and accurate. That, to me, signals are serious problem that easily trumps a backwards debate of mixed breeding.

[IronPriest]

I can't fuly understand what the definition of real American as to me that would be more represented by the natives, whom the white man more or less wiped out. America in history has also been seen as a land of immigration and as it doesn't really have any ancient culture it needs to preserve like European countries, there is no deeper culture to destroy, unlike the culture of the Germanic peoples we would lose or the culture of the ancient Slavs which would be wiped out if the Muslims took over. We've already seen it once with the Christian invasion.

I personally believe that this is not just immature religion bashing and more of a healthy debate. Who defines what is offensive to other religions? We can't just censor ourselves because we might happen to be offending a religion because then overt PC-ness limits our freedom of speech. And also Jews are not unique in enslavement etc. The same is applicable to more or less all cultures due to an invading army. The Britons enslaved by Romans, Blacks enslaved by the English etc.
I was just about to post a similar response. Don't forget that only a few years ago, 'mixed breeds' consisted of someone having a german father and english mother, etc. Not to mention, an italian may be considered a 'mixed breed' by having a sicilian father and a roman mother. Now, I would suppose Alfader's definition of mixed breeding is Hispanic/Black and White. But what about someone having english and russian descent. Is that considered a mixed breed? Honestly, I would say that the entire world population is eventually heading towards becoming 'mixed breeds', but the American is simply on the fast track. And quite frankly, I think that's great. As much as some people hate, there is no scientific proof that mixed breeding is detrimental, but may actually be beneficial (such as increasing resistance to race-specific ailments).
As for the immigration debate, unless we (as Americans) are full-blooded native americans, we are all illegal immigrants. What right to we have to wall off the country to mexicans that have proven themselves as extremely hard workers? If we are a dying breed, then it is only our fault. China, India, and multiple other countries are becoming the scientific and engineering centers of the world, simply because their population is so competant in these areas, while Americans are too lazy to work more than 37.5 hours/week or to get out of bed and go to class. Not to mention that we as Americans must use antiquated methods to vote, simply because we are too stupid to vote electronically, which is obviously more efficient and accurate. That, to me, signals are serious problem that easily trumps a backwards debate of mixed breeding.

Very well said and I agree with most of what you said. Unless your native American we are all immigrants.
As far as Americans being lazy, it's true in some sense but keep in mind America is a huge country and the portion on people you described is a fraction of the population, in which every country has these types of people. I also agree as far as what you said about our pace in growing in technology to a degree. Its true that we are lacking in some areas. But we are still leading when it comes to the Medical feild...we have the best hospitals and doctors in this country and we are always coming up with new innovating proceedures. In education even though some of our highschools are lacking, our Colleges are the best in the world... In a buissness sense even though the Dollar has dropped partly due to September 11th and possibly the Bush Admidistration, we still kick ass around the world.

I also agree that "mix breeding" is not a bad thing and probably like you mentioned has more benefits than negative "I've read some stuff about that some where". And honestly the world already is a mix, there's probably fewer pure "breeds" than we think.

[IronPriest]

I'd probably laugh my ass off if we did bomb Mecca though and shout at the screen "Take that you fucks!!!" :twisted:

No we cannot change history but we can stop the Muslims!!! Perhaps we should start some sort of campaign to get them out of Europe. Is there some sort of BNP equivalent in Denmark?

We have quite a few organizations trying to get rid of them, but of course the left wing tries to make it look all nazi, which scares the man on the street - because our country was once taken by the German nazis - unless he isn't too naive to see what they really are like.



A left wing newspaper once accused a nationalistic - and sceptical over for immigration - organization simply called 'The Danish Organization', founded by Danish WWII veterans, for being national socialistic. The irony in this case just showed what they really were trying to do. They wanted nothing but to represent the organization as being nazi, but of course they got offended, so they sued them and won the case.

Other examples are the active leftists, who refuse to mention any rightist as nothing but nazi, so the man the street will get the impression that they really are nazis.

The media has an important role too, because they tend to do exactly the same, if they have even shown the right wing side of the case. For example, the same newspaper that once accused The Danish Organization for being nazi, once interviewed an infamous leftist about a right wing organization called 'Danish Front'. Why didn't they just interview the organization itself, or atleast interviewed them about a left wing organization?

It's like a smear campaign against the right wing, but luckily it looks like things will get better in the future, since people have started to open their eyes. Both against the immigrants and the leftists.

Yeah, you lost me... :roll:

I didn't expect anything else, since it isn't the US or Israel we're talking about.

Oh snap! Well good luck with your Holucaust

Holocaust? Luckily we're never gonna get as far as Israel or USA - the racial and cultural blender. Your people are dying.

Even though you hate Jews and think you know anything about Israel and it's history, it's all good because people that think like you are few. Our people are dying? If your talking about Jews, well... we've been slaughtered, enslaved, and tortured for all of time...and we are still here, and we are still strong, even stronger than most European countries, so I don't think we are dying or going anywhere anytime soon. As for America...we're doing just fine.

I don't agree with religion bashing...The message religions speak are for the most part good, it's people that twist them and screw things up, but the idea is pure.

I've never said I know everything about Jews and Israel, that must be your own imagination, but I know what is worth to know. The jews may not be dying, because Judaism is a religion and not a race, so there'll probably always be some around as with Christians, but their land is. It's getting smaller and smaller from the pressure of the Muslims, as you mentioned yourself.

Concerning the Americans, they are a dying people, because they let everyone into their so called country. Soon there will be no real American left, only mixed breeds. And there is nothing to do about it, because they have already let so many in that they are at the point of no return. It would be too many to kick out.

Ok your an idoit? Real Americans? Americans ARE immigrants, all of us...were all mixed breeds thats how the country was formed in the beginning.

And you call it our "So called country" not sure what that means exactly??? Where's Denmark again? What have they done in the last ummm 100 years??? Besides create those delicious pastries....hahahaha I make myself laugh.

[Alfader]

I'd probably laugh my ass off if we did bomb Mecca though and shout at the screen "Take that you fucks!!!" :twisted:

No we cannot change history but we can stop the Muslims!!! Perhaps we should start some sort of campaign to get them out of Europe. Is there some sort of BNP equivalent in Denmark?

We have quite a few organizations trying to get rid of them, but of course the left wing tries to make it look all nazi, which scares the man on the street - because our country was once taken by the German nazis - unless he isn't too naive to see what they really are like.



A left wing newspaper once accused a nationalistic - and sceptical over for immigration - organization simply called 'The Danish Organization', founded by Danish WWII veterans, for being national socialistic. The irony in this case just showed what they really were trying to do. They wanted nothing but to represent the organization as being nazi, but of course they got offended, so they sued them and won the case.

Other examples are the active leftists, who refuse to mention any rightist as nothing but nazi, so the man the street will get the impression that they really are nazis.

The media has an important role too, because they tend to do exactly the same, if they have even shown the right wing side of the case. For example, the same newspaper that once accused The Danish Organization for being nazi, once interviewed an infamous leftist about a right wing organization called 'Danish Front'. Why didn't they just interview the organization itself, or atleast interviewed them about a left wing organization?

It's like a smear campaign against the right wing, but luckily it looks like things will get better in the future, since people have started to open their eyes. Both against the immigrants and the leftists.

Yeah, you lost me... :roll:

I didn't expect anything else, since it isn't the US or Israel we're talking about.

Oh snap! Well good luck with your Holucaust

Holocaust? Luckily we're never gonna get as far as Israel or USA - the racial and cultural blender. Your people are dying.

Even though you hate Jews and think you know anything about Israel and it's history, it's all good because people that think like you are few. Our people are dying? If your talking about Jews, well... we've been slaughtered, enslaved, and tortured for all of time...and we are still here, and we are still strong, even stronger than most European countries, so I don't think we are dying or going anywhere anytime soon. As for America...we're doing just fine.

I don't agree with religion bashing...The message religions speak are for the most part good, it's people that twist them and screw things up, but the idea is pure.

I've never said I know everything about Jews and Israel, that must be your own imagination, but I know what is worth to know. The jews may not be dying, because Judaism is a religion and not a race, so there'll probably always be some around as with Christians, but their land is. It's getting smaller and smaller from the pressure of the Muslims, as you mentioned yourself.

Concerning the Americans, they are a dying people, because they let everyone into their so called country. Soon there will be no real American left, only mixed breeds. And there is nothing to do about it, because they have already let so many in that they are at the point of no return. It would be too many to kick out.

Ok your an idoit? Real Americans? Americans ARE immigrants, all of us...were all mixed breeds thats how the country was formed in the beginning.

And you call it our "So called country" not sure what that means exactly??? Where's Denmark again? What have they done in the last ummm 100 years??? Besides create those delicious pastries....hahahaha I make myself laugh.

No, you're an idoit. I'm not Jewish, you are. There's a difference between native Americans and today's Americans, which are either negroes, hispanics or white trailer trash. The country was formed by white men. Those and their descendants are those I consider real Americans. Native Americans didn't even have a country, they just lived in tipis around it. Your so called country is not a country, that's my point. A cultural and racial blender, as I have been mentioning before.

The Danes have done quite a few extraordinary scientific discoveries, such as teleportation between light and matter. But we'd have to go further back to see a larger influence. The language we speak here even have some Norse influence, because a large piece of the country from which it derives have been Danish for a period of time.

[IronPriest]

I'd probably laugh my ass off if we did bomb Mecca though and shout at the screen "Take that you fucks!!!" :twisted:

No we cannot change history but we can stop the Muslims!!! Perhaps we should start some sort of campaign to get them out of Europe. Is there some sort of BNP equivalent in Denmark?

We have quite a few organizations trying to get rid of them, but of course the left wing tries to make it look all nazi, which scares the man on the street - because our country was once taken by the German nazis - unless he isn't too naive to see what they really are like.



A left wing newspaper once accused a nationalistic - and sceptical over for immigration - organization simply called 'The Danish Organization', founded by Danish WWII veterans, for being national socialistic. The irony in this case just showed what they really were trying to do. They wanted nothing but to represent the organization as being nazi, but of course they got offended, so they sued them and won the case.

Other examples are the active leftists, who refuse to mention any rightist as nothing but nazi, so the man the street will get the impression that they really are nazis.

The media has an important role too, because they tend to do exactly the same, if they have even shown the right wing side of the case. For example, the same newspaper that once accused The Danish Organization for being nazi, once interviewed an infamous leftist about a right wing organization called 'Danish Front'. Why didn't they just interview the organization itself, or atleast interviewed them about a left wing organization?

It's like a smear campaign against the right wing, but luckily it looks like things will get better in the future, since people have started to open their eyes. Both against the immigrants and the leftists.

Yeah, you lost me... :roll:

I didn't expect anything else, since it isn't the US or Israel we're talking about.

Oh snap! Well good luck with your Holucaust

Holocaust? Luckily we're never gonna get as far as Israel or USA - the racial and cultural blender. Your people are dying.

Even though you hate Jews and think you know anything about Israel and it's history, it's all good because people that think like you are few. Our people are dying? If your talking about Jews, well... we've been slaughtered, enslaved, and tortured for all of time...and we are still here, and we are still strong, even stronger than most European countries, so I don't think we are dying or going anywhere anytime soon. As for America...we're doing just fine.

I don't agree with religion bashing...The message religions speak are for the most part good, it's people that twist them and screw things up, but the idea is pure.

I've never said I know everything about Jews and Israel, that must be your own imagination, but I know what is worth to know. The jews may not be dying, because Judaism is a religion and not a race, so there'll probably always be some around as with Christians, but their land is. It's getting smaller and smaller from the pressure of the Muslims, as you mentioned yourself.

Concerning the Americans, they are a dying people, because they let everyone into their so called country. Soon there will be no real American left, only mixed breeds. And there is nothing to do about it, because they have already let so many in that they are at the point of no return. It would be too many to kick out.

Ok your an idoit? Real Americans? Americans ARE immigrants, all of us...were all mixed breeds thats how the country was formed in the beginning.

And you call it our "So called country" not sure what that means exactly??? Where's Denmark again? What have they done in the last ummm 100 years??? Besides create those delicious pastries....hahahaha I make myself laugh.

No, you're an idoit. I'm not Jewish, you are. There's a difference between native Americans and today's Americans, which are either negroes, hispanics or white trailer trash. The country was formed by white men. Those and their descendants are those I consider real Americans. Native Americans didn't even have a country, they just lived in tipis around it. Your so called country is not a country, that's my point. A cultural and racial blender, as I have been mentioning before.

The Danes have done quite a few extraordinary scientific discoveries, such as teleportation between light and matter. But we'd have to go further back to see a larger influence. The language we speak here even have some Norse influence, because a large piece of the country from which it derives have been Danish for a period of time.

Teleportation between light and matter??? I think you've been watching too much Star Trek...hahahaha...please explain this amazing ability. And like I said, what has Denmark done recently, nothing???

As far as your racist idiotic discription of America and it's people...I have nothing to say your obviously a ignorant, uneducated asshole. You sound like a Nazi preaching about how the "white" race is dominant over all. Our country is formed by all kinds of people, hence they call it the melting pot... and although you seem to think a pure white country is the way to go, America has been dominant in virtually everything it does.

Your hate against religion and other cultures is no different than the hate the radical muslims have shown...you are the same.

[Alfader]

[quote:634927eeaa="Surma"]I'd probably laugh my ass off if we did bomb Mecca though and shout at the screen "Take that you fucks!!!" :twisted:

No we cannot change history but we can stop the Muslims!!! Perhaps we should start some sort of campaign to get them out of Europe. Is there some sort of BNP equivalent in Denmark?

We have quite a few organizations trying to get rid of them, but of course the left wing tries to make it look all nazi, which scares the man on the street - because our country was once taken by the German nazis - unless he isn't too naive to see what they really are like.



A left wing newspaper once accused a nationalistic - and sceptical over for immigration - organization simply called 'The Danish Organization', founded by Danish WWII veterans, for being national socialistic. The irony in this case just showed what they really were trying to do. They wanted nothing but to represent the organization as being nazi, but of course they got offended, so they sued them and won the case.

Other examples are the active leftists, who refuse to mention any rightist as nothing but nazi, so the man the street will get the impression that they really are nazis.

The media has an important role too, because they tend to do exactly the same, if they have even shown the right wing side of the case. For example, the same newspaper that once accused The Danish Organization for being nazi, once interviewed an infamous leftist about a right wing organization called 'Danish Front'. Why didn't they just interview the organization itself, or atleast interviewed them about a left wing organization?

It's like a smear campaign against the right wing, but luckily it looks like things will get better in the future, since people have started to open their eyes. Both against the immigrants and the leftists.

Yeah, you lost me... :roll:

I didn't expect anything else, since it isn't the US or Israel we're talking about.

Oh snap! Well good luck with your Holucaust

Holocaust? Luckily we're never gonna get as far as Israel or USA - the racial and cultural blender. Your people are dying.

Even though you hate Jews and think you know anything about Israel and it's history, it's all good because people that think like you are few. Our people are dying? If your talking about Jews, well... we've been slaughtered, enslaved, and tortured for all of time...and we are still here, and we are still strong, even stronger than most European countries, so I don't think we are dying or going anywhere anytime soon. As for America...we're doing just fine.

I don't agree with religion bashing...The message religions speak are for the most part good, it's people that twist them and screw things up, but the idea is pure.

I've never said I know everything about Jews and Israel, that must be your own imagination, but I know what is worth to know. The jews may not be dying, because Judaism is a religion and not a race, so there'll probably always be some around as with Christians, but their land is. It's getting smaller and smaller from the pressure of the Muslims, as you mentioned yourself.

Concerning the Americans, they are a dying people, because they let everyone into their so called country. Soon there will be no real American left, only mixed breeds. And there is nothing to do about it, because they have already let so many in that they are at the point of no return. It would be too many to kick out.

Ok your an idoit? Real Americans? Americans ARE immigrants, all of us...were all mixed breeds thats how the country was formed in the beginning.

And you call it our "So called country" not sure what that means exactly??? Where's Denmark again? What have they done in the last ummm 100 years??? Besides create those delicious pastries....hahahaha I make myself laugh.

No, you're an idoit. I'm not Jewish, you are. There's a difference between native Americans and today's Americans, which are either negroes, hispanics or white trailer trash. The country was formed by white men. Those and their descendants are those I consider real Americans. Native Americans didn't even have a country, they just lived in tipis around it. Your so called country is not a country, that's my point. A cultural and racial blender, as I have been mentioning before.

The Danes have done quite a few extraordinary scientific discoveries, such as teleportation between light and matter. But we'd have to go further back to see a larger influence. The language we speak here even have some Norse influence, because a large piece of the country from which it derives have been Danish for a period of time.

Teleportation between light and matter??? I think you've been watching too much Star Trek...hahahaha...please explain this amazing ability. And like I said, what has Denmark done recently, nothing???

As far as your racist idiotic discription of America and it's people...I have nothing to say your obviously a ignorant, uneducated asshole. You sound like a Nazi preaching about how the "white" race is dominant over all. Our country is formed by all kinds of people, hence they call it the melting pot... and although you seem to think a pure white country is the way to go, America has been dominant in virtually everything it does.

Your hate against religion and other cultures is no different than the hate the radical muslims have shown...you are the same.[/quote:634927eeaa]

I knew it would be too difficult for you to understand, but try reading this news (http://www.smh.com.au/news/science/danish-researchers-boldly-go-where-none-have-gone-before/2006/10/06/1159641528539.html). And at last, what a ridiculous, desperate attempt to win this argument. You compare me to a national socialist, because I said the founders of USA were white? You know it's true. There weren't many negroes in England at that time.

And by the way, I'm a nationalist where the situation in my country and the rest of the world have brought me to hate, because of bad experiences with immigrants and especially Muslims. I honestly don't care if you compare me to a Muslim or think I'm a national socialist, but now you know the truth.

[Surma]

I will say that minority races are the ones causing a lot of problems in England which is why the government is wisely considering closing our borders. Muslims have too much of a stranglehold as they constantly get what they want over here, in Sweden and in Denmark.

I personally am proud of my white heritage, but why should that make me racist? And it is true that the natives had an no real control or government but neither did the ancient Germans or Vikings until later when a king was established. Though at the same time the white man did bring order to America. Thus I will say that I can see both points of view in this argument.

[Alfader]

That's true, but we weren't a real country at that time either. That first came in 900-1000.

[IronPriest]

I will say that minority races are the ones causing a lot of problems in England which is why the government is wisely considering closing our borders. Muslims have too much of a stranglehold as they constantly get what they want over here, in Sweden and in Denmark.

I personally am proud of my white heritage, but why should that make me racist? And it is true that the natives had an no real control or government but neither did the ancient Germans or Vikings until later when a king was established. Though at the same time the white man did bring order to America. Thus I will say that I can see both points of view in this argument.

I'm not argueing the fact that "white" people founded America in the beginning, and I'm not saying being proud of being "white" or any race is a bad thing, you should be proud of who you are, but it is wrong to stereotype and prejudge a whole race! Every race has played an important part on this earth, every race has something unique about them that should be respected. I understand when you and the majority of the world are fustrated with muslims in the world right now, I am too! But it's not all muslims, it's the few radicals that exist, I do believe that there are muslims out there that just want to live in peace, unfortunatly it's the crazy terrorists that you only hear about.

My problem with Alfader is that he stereotypes and prejugdes a whole race and that is just ignorant. How can you say I hate these people and these people??? Being in the US Military I have been able to travel quite a bit around the world and one of the things I have learned is that People are People we are all the same, we all want to live a better life and to provide for our families....Don't forget even though I'm an American, and you might be whatever or Alfader is Danish, we are all humans and we all deserve respect.... that's all I'm saying, I'm not saying don't be proud of who you are but respect everyone....the world will be a much better place if we can all do that.

[Alfader]

The majority of Muslims are extremists, that's why I generalize. The few that doesn't care what Allah or Muhammed says can't really be described as Muslims, that's why I don't mention them.

As long as people have a little in common they belong into a group. Politics, for example, if a guy has right orientated beliefs, he politically belongs to the right wing, maybe not as much as extremists, but he still does. That's how I generalize. You'd probably say he's not equal to others because he has a different hair color, but that, I believe, is irrelevant to the case, so I don't focus on that.

[elcapitan]

The majority of Muslims are extremists, that's why I generalize. The few that doesn't care what Allah or Muhammed says can't really be described as Muslims, that's why I don't mention them.

As long as people have a little in common they belong into a group. Politics, for example, if a guy has right orientated beliefs, he politically belongs to the right wing, maybe not as much as extremists, but he still does. That's how I generalize. You'd probably say he's not equal to others because he has a different hair color, but that, I believe, is irrelevant to the case, so I don't focus on that.
I think that type of logic could be applied to practically any religion in the world. I would say the vast majority of people that call themselves religious either completely disregard the practice in their everyday lives, or modify it to suit their needs. This, of course, leaves a minority, of which a large percentage are extremists.

[Alfader]

The majority of Muslims are extremists, that's why I generalize. The few that doesn't care what Allah or Muhammed says can't really be described as Muslims, that's why I don't mention them.

As long as people have a little in common they belong into a group. Politics, for example, if a guy has right orientated beliefs, he politically belongs to the right wing, maybe not as much as extremists, but he still does. That's how I generalize. You'd probably say he's not equal to others because he has a different hair color, but that, I believe, is irrelevant to the case, so I don't focus on that.
I think that type of logic could be applied to practically any religion in the world. I would say the vast majority of people that call themselves religious either completely disregard the practice in their everyday lives, or modify it to suit their needs. This, of course, leaves a minority, of which a large percentage are extremists.

What exactly is your point?

[elcapitan]

My point is that for you to single out the majority of muslims as extremists, but then to say that 'Muslims who don't believe in Allah' are excluded, is like saying that I eat, drink, and piss. In other words, you have no argument

[Alfader]

I didn't say believe, I said care.

[IronPriest]

The majority of Muslims are extremists, that's why I generalize. The few that doesn't care what Allah or Muhammed says can't really be described as Muslims, that's why I don't mention them.

As long as people have a little in common they belong into a group. Politics, for example, if a guy has right orientated beliefs, he politically belongs to the right wing, maybe not as much as extremists, but he still does. That's how I generalize. You'd probably say he's not equal to others because he has a different hair color, but that, I believe, is irrelevant to the case, so I don't focus on that.

No clue what your trying to say here???

"You'd probably say he's not equal to others because he has a different hair color, but that, I believe, is irrelevant to the case, so I don't focus on that.[/quote]"

Not sure what that means...because he has different hair color??? I don't care what people look like or what race they are, we are all equal in my eyes, that's what we are arguing here. Your the one that hates Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, Jews ect.... so what are you talking about???

[IronPriest]

I didn't say believe, I said care.

I'm curious what are your thoughts of World War II and the Holacaust?

[Alfader]

The majority of Muslims are extremists, that's why I generalize. The few that doesn't care what Allah or Muhammed says can't really be described as Muslims, that's why I don't mention them.

As long as people have a little in common they belong into a group. Politics, for example, if a guy has right orientated beliefs, he politically belongs to the right wing, maybe not as much as extremists, but he still does. That's how I generalize. You'd probably say he's not equal to others because he has a different hair color, but that, I believe, is irrelevant to the case, so I don't focus on that.

No clue what your trying to say here???

"You'd probably say he's not equal to others because he has a different hair color, but that, I believe, is irrelevant to the case, so I don't focus on that."

Not sure what that means...because he has different hair color??? I don't care what people look like or what race they are, we are all equal in my eyes, that's what we are arguing here. Your the one that hates Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, Jews ect.... so what are you talking about???[/quote]

I was talking about generalizing. You are the one that thinks all people are special and can't be generalized, so you'd probably say a person can't be generalized because separates from a group by having a different hair color, because no one are the like. I'm saying that no matter how special a man could be, there will always be something that connects him to a category or group. People always have something in common.

[Alfader]

No clue what your trying to say here???

Not sure what that means...because he has different hair color??? I don't care what people look like or what race they are, we are all equal in my eyes, that's what we are arguing here. Your the one that hates Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, Jews ect.... so what are you talking about???

I was talking about generalizing. You are the one that thinks all people are special and can't be generalized, so you'd probably say a person can't be generalized because separates from a group by having a different hair color, because no one are the like. I'm saying that no matter how special a man could be, there will always be something that connects him to a category or group. People always have something in common.

[Alfader]

I didn't say believe, I said care.

I'm curious what are your thoughts of World War II and the Holacaust?

Well, I believe the colocaust have happened, if that's what you want to know?

[Maldoror]

You know Alfader you probably wouldnt have to argue about generalizing so much if your argument made any sense.

[Alfader]

Sorry, I later found out that it is in fact called stereotyping. In Danish stereotyping is called to "generalisere", hence the confusion. If it wasn't because of that one mistake, my argument would make perfect sense.

[HolyWars]

The majority of Muslims are extremists, that's why I generalize.

Thats a bit harsh.

[Alfader]

Stereotype. Yeah, but it's the truth.

[Sune]

When dealing with a plague, you need to be harsh and make no compromises. This isn't the time to think about their feelings or whatever, we need to rule with an iron fist in order for us to save our country and culture from the nation ruining cancer that islam is.

[Maldoror]

The majority of Muslims are extremists, that's why I generalize.

Thats a bit harsh.

Its not only harsh, its also imposible to prove. The reality is if all Muslims were "extremists" there would be alot more attacks on westren countrys going on.

[Alfader]

All and majority isn't the same thing. Of course, it's impossible to prove that all Muslims are extremists, since there are no exact number on how many Muslims there are, but it's possible - and quite easy - to tell that the majority are. Not only by statistics, but also common logical sense.

[Maldoror]

Alright how would you go about proving the majority of Muslims are extremists? If you have such an easy logical way of proving that the majority of Musilms are extremists then I should be easily swayed by that amazing logic.

[Alfader]

You seem to have a hard time reading what I write. It's easy to prove by statistics, but when you have been gifted with the incredible ability to think of your own, you don't need statistics to see what the situation really is like.

[Maldoror]

I can read what you wrote. Your not making an argument that logicaly makes any sense, your just making vague, abstract statments you are not presenting any evedence to back up those statments, you talk about statistics well why not direct me to those statistics or present any kind of real logic to back up your statments. You say that the majority of Muslims are extremists as if it is a fact yet you havent presented any sort of objective evedence that it is in fact true.

[mischmetall]

It is incorrect to call the majority of Muslims extremists. It just seems like that because they are suddenly everywhere. It is true that many of them hold extremist views, but if you talk about the percentage of extremist Muslims all over the world, it would be something not more than between 20-30 percent, I believe.

[Alfader]

I know I'm not presenting any evidence, since I haven't looked for it on the internet, but as I said, it shouldn't be necessary to do so. If you can't see what the situation is like, it's probably because you don't want to. So showing you evidence wouldn't help, because you'd just refuse to learn anyway.

And by the way, I don't mean extremists such as terrorists, but just Muslims has hateful minds towards Christians, Jews and the Western civilization in general etc.

[Surma]

Well I remember there was a report made by Channel 4 in the UK and the majority of Muslims stated on the programme that they believed that Britain would be better off under Shariah law.This doesn't mean they're going to force it upon us as its just their opinion of how things should be done. Even though these same people don't belive in violence to bring Shariah law, they can fuck right off and go to a country where its being enforced if they love it so much! But of course in England you are free to have whatever opinion you want so long as its not 'Nazi' or 'Racist'

[Alfader]

Yeah, long live hypocrisy (not the band).

[Surma]

Yeah, long live hypocrisy (not the band).

Well I liked the first few albums!

[Alfader]

Yeah, long live hypocrisy (not the band).

Well I liked the first few albums!

Well, you've got a point, lol.

[HolyWars]

When dealing with a plague, you need to be harsh and make no compromises. This isn't the time to think about their feelings or whatever, we need to rule with an iron fist in order for us to save our country and culture from the nation ruining cancer that islam is.

Is that you Hitler??

Are you religious?

[HolyWars]

I know I'm not presenting any evidence, since I haven't looked for it on the internet, but as I said, it shouldn't be necessary to do so. If you can't see what the situation is like, it's probably because you don't want to. So showing you evidence wouldn't help, because you'd just refuse to learn anyway.

And by the way, I don't mean extremists such as terrorists, but just Muslims has hateful minds towards Christians, Jews and the Western civilization in general etc.

Well going by that....most western/Christian/jewish/etc societies are extreamists then.
Yes, I will agree, a small number of muslims are extreamists (terrorists)....but you are just blatently pointing the finger at an entire religion being terrorists.
Christian nations have by far shed the most blood out of all the religions, especially in the last century.

On a side note:
And this bullshit that the Koran is filled with hate, extreamism, propaganda against anything that isnt Islam is a load of shit.
My dad is religious, goes to church or what have you, decided he would actually get a copy of the Koran and see for himself what was in it....there is NOTHING of hate towards ppl that arnt muslim....it doesnt say go blow up buildings etc. I also had a flick through and nothing stood out to me either.
Its what the media do...they pick something out to blame it on....alot like when there is a school shooting or whatever...if that person listens to metal then that must be the reason.


Btw, Im not at all religious.
\m/_

[Maldoror]

I know I'm not presenting any evidence, since I haven't looked for it on the internet, but as I said, it shouldn't be necessary to do so. If you can't see what the situation is like, it's probably because you don't want to. So showing you evidence wouldn't help, because you'd just refuse to learn anyway.

And by the way, I don't mean extremists such as terrorists, but just Muslims has hateful minds towards Christians, Jews and the Western civilization in general etc.

You mean you shouldnt have to present any evidence to support your completly irrational point, prehaps that is because like I said before it is something that is completly unprovible, and there is not enough objective evidence out there to support your claim. Again your not making an argument that is based on any sort of logic insted your falling back on attacking me insted of my argument, saying that I am some how flawed for not seeing something that is not a proveble fact but is insted just your subjective veiw of a majority of Muslims. So once again I say if you have real evidence insted of just abstract hearsay about me being blind to the "situation" and not understanding your subjective logic, then plaese present it and I will be more than happy to reveiw it. Otherwise I would plaese request that you stop presenting your stereotyped opinoin of others as being fact, since in the relam of logic they are most deffently not fact.

[HolyWars]

I can read what you wrote. Your not making an argument that logicaly makes any sense, your just making vague, abstract statments you are not presenting any evedence to back up those statments, you talk about statistics well why not direct me to those statistics or present any kind of real logic to back up your statments. You say that the majority of Muslims are extremists as if it is a fact yet you havent presented any sort of objective evedence that it is in fact true.

Well said.

[Maldoror]

I know I'm not presenting any evidence, since I haven't looked for it on the internet, but as I said, it shouldn't be necessary to do so. If you can't see what the situation is like, it's probably because you don't want to. So showing you evidence wouldn't help, because you'd just refuse to learn anyway.

And by the way, I don't mean extremists such as terrorists, but just Muslims has hateful minds towards Christians, Jews and the Western civilization in general etc.

Well going by that....most western/Christian/jewish/etc societies are extreamists then.
Yes, I will agree, a small number of muslims are extreamists (terrorists)....but you are just blatently pointing the finger at an entire religion being terrorists.
Christian nations have by far shed the most blood out of all the religions, especially in the last century.

On a side note:
And this bullshit that the Koran is filled with hate, extreamism, propaganda against anything that isnt Islam is a load of shit.
My dad is religious, goes to church or what have you, decided he would actually get a copy of the Koran and see for himself what was in it....there is NOTHING of hate towards ppl that arnt muslim....it doesnt say go blow up buildings etc. I also had a flick through and nothing stood out to me either.
Its what the media do...they pick something out to blame it on....alot like when there is a school shooting or whatever...if that person listens to metal then that must be the reason.


Btw, Im not at all religious.
\m/_

Well said, Your right the Koran is not filled with hate towards anyone. I dont belelive in what the Koran says (exapet on a purely meteforic level but that how I think any holy book should be read) but I must say it is a very well written very poeitc book much more so than the bible and regardless of your belief its verse is very good compared to other text written around the sametime.

[Alfader]

I'm sure the Koran doesn't say that Muslims should blow themselves up, but they still do it, so they must have edited their beliefs to fit their purpose. Also, how many Muslims besides those who are forced to, do you think have read the Koran? Because of the lack of schools in the Middle East, the younger ones are teached by the elderly, and if they feel any hate towards the Western civilization, the hate is passed on.

And again, I don't care if you agree or not. I'm not going to show you any evidence, because it's pointless and I don't have to. Even if I did, you'd probably refuse to believe in it.

[Sune]

When dealing with a plague, you need to be harsh and make no compromises. This isn't the time to think about their feelings or whatever, we need to rule with an iron fist in order for us to save our country and culture from the nation ruining cancer that islam is.

Is that you Hitler??

Are you religious?

I'm not religious by any means.

[Surma]

I'm sure the Koran doesn't say that Muslims should blow themselves up, but they still do it, so they must have edited their beliefs to fit their purpose. Also, how many Muslims besides those who are forced to, do you think have read the Koran? Because of the lack of schools in the Middle East, the younger ones are teached by the elderly, and if they feel any hate towards the Western civilization, the hate is passed on.

And again, I don't care if you agree or not. I'm not going to show you any evidence, because it's pointless and I don't have to. Even if I did, you'd probably refuse to believe in it.

I've also already seen examples of Muslim violence in the UK. I have also seen it in Christians and Jews, even though their holy books don't promote it, as said they still do it and Muslims are a threat to our people and my own culture. Even if it isn't written down many want Shariah law and as far as I can see Islam seems totalitarian and thinks their laws and ideas abpove those of our own people.

[Maldoror]

...And again, I don't care if you agree or not. I'm not going to show you any evidence, because it's pointless and I don't have to. Even if I did, you'd probably refuse to believe in it.

You sound like a child, You make wild statements that make no sense and then when someone confronts you about the fact that is doesnt make any sense you respond in a reactionary manner by attcaking the person for being some how "ignorent" and then saying things like "I dont have to". You might as well go all the way and call me a poopiehead and yell "you cant make me". The point of all this Alfader is it doesnt matter if your wrong or right your problem is that your arrgument is very deeply flawed, and that your statements are illogical. See I dont refuse to believe anything, sure at this point I do not believe what you say, and I doubt that I would be easily swade but if you where to show me good objective evidence and I looked thourgh it and couldnt find anything wrong with it then I would have to believe it because thats how my brain works I believe in facts because they are facts and I can not refute them.

[IronPriest]

I'm sure the Koran doesn't say that Muslims should blow themselves up, but they still do it, so they must have edited their beliefs to fit their purpose. Also, how many Muslims besides those who are forced to, do you think have read the Koran? Because of the lack of schools in the Middle East, the younger ones are teached by the elderly, and if they feel any hate towards the Western civilization, the hate is passed on.

And again, I don't care if you agree or not. I'm not going to show you any evidence, because it's pointless and I don't have to. Even if I did, you'd probably refuse to believe in it.

Alfader, I agree with you that the muslim community has some major flaws in it. I agree that a majority of the extremists due teach their children to hate, I do agree that if you were to come up with a diagram of some sort that showed who has been the most violent and unstable to the world I would also agree that it would be the muslim community...but I do believe this is only the extremists, and that represents a fraction of the muslims....I would go as far to say that maybe this fraction is larger than any other extremism but thats just a guess. But saying all this I still don't condemn the entire race. I believe extremism in any belief weather it be Judiasm, Christianity, muslim ect... can be dangerous but I don't blame the religion, I blame the person or group acting out.

[Alfader]

You sound like a child, You make wild statements that make no sense and then when someone confronts you about the fact that is doesnt make any sense you respond in a reactionary manner by attcaking the person for being some how "ignorent" and then saying things like "I dont have to". You might as well go all the way and call me a poopiehead and yell "you cant make me". The point of all this Alfader is it doesnt matter if your wrong or right your problem is that your arrgument is very deeply flawed, and that your statements are illogical. See I dont refuse to believe anything, sure at this point I do not believe what you say, and I doubt that I would be easily swade but if you where to show me good objective evidence and I looked thourgh it and couldnt find anything wrong with it then I would have to believe it because thats how my brain works I believe in facts because they are facts and I can not refute them.

First of all, I'm not trying to convince you, because it's not my job and besides that pointless. I don't care what you think, or if you agree with me or not. Your opinion couldn't mean less to me.

I'm just telling you how it is, and then it's up to you to believe or not. Whether you do or not, I don't care about.

[Alfader]

I'm sure the Koran doesn't say that Muslims should blow themselves up, but they still do it, so they must have edited their beliefs to fit their purpose. Also, how many Muslims besides those who are forced to, do you think have read the Koran? Because of the lack of schools in the Middle East, the younger ones are teached by the elderly, and if they feel any hate towards the Western civilization, the hate is passed on.

And again, I don't care if you agree or not. I'm not going to show you any evidence, because it's pointless and I don't have to. Even if I did, you'd probably refuse to believe in it.

Alfader, I agree with you that the muslim community has some major flaws in it. I agree that a majority of the extremists due teach their children to hate, I do agree that if you were to come up with a diagram of some sort that showed who has been the most violent and unstable to the world I would also agree that it would be the muslim community...but I do believe this is only the extremists, and that represents a fraction of the muslims....I would go as far to say that maybe this fraction is larger than any other extremism but thats just a guess. But saying all this I still don't condemn the entire race. I believe extremism in any belief weather it be Judiasm, Christianity, muslim ect... can be dangerous but I don't blame the religion, I blame the person or group acting out.

I'm glad we agree on some points, since it didn't seem like it before, and I admit I'm not afraid to stereotype.

[IronPriest]

I'm sure the Koran doesn't say that Muslims should blow themselves up, but they still do it, so they must have edited their beliefs to fit their purpose. Also, how many Muslims besides those who are forced to, do you think have read the Koran? Because of the lack of schools in the Middle East, the younger ones are teached by the elderly, and if they feel any hate towards the Western civilization, the hate is passed on.

And again, I don't care if you agree or not. I'm not going to show you any evidence, because it's pointless and I don't have to. Even if I did, you'd probably refuse to believe in it.

Alfader, I agree with you that the muslim community has some major flaws in it. I agree that a majority of the extremists due teach their children to hate, I do agree that if you were to come up with a diagram of some sort that showed who has been the most violent and unstable to the world I would also agree that it would be the muslim community...but I do believe this is only the extremists, and that represents a fraction of the muslims....I would go as far to say that maybe this fraction is larger than any other extremism but thats just a guess. But saying all this I still don't condemn the entire race. I believe extremism in any belief weather it be Judiasm, Christianity, muslim ect... can be dangerous but I don't blame the religion, I blame the person or group acting out.

I'm glad we agree on some points, since it didn't seem like it before, and I admit I'm not afraid to stereotype.

Ok, I can live with that.

[HolyWars]

I'm sure the Koran doesn't say that Muslims should blow themselves up, but they still do it, so they must have edited their beliefs to fit their purpose. Also, how many Muslims besides those who are forced to, do you think have read the Koran? Because of the lack of schools in the Middle East, the younger ones are teached by the elderly, and if they feel any hate towards the Western civilization, the hate is passed on.

And again, I don't care if you agree or not. I'm not going to show you any evidence, because it's pointless and I don't have to. Even if I did, you'd probably refuse to believe in it.

Alfader, I agree with you that the muslim community has some major flaws in it. I agree that a majority of the extremists due teach their children to hate, I do agree that if you were to come up with a diagram of some sort that showed who has been the most violent and unstable to the world I would also agree that it would be the muslim community...but I do believe this is only the extremists, and that represents a fraction of the muslims....I would go as far to say that maybe this fraction is larger than any other extremism but thats just a guess. But saying all this I still don't condemn the entire race. I believe extremism in any belief weather it be Judiasm, Christianity, muslim ect... can be dangerous but I don't blame the religion, I blame the person or group acting out.

This is a reasonable point of view :)

[Surma]

I think that the religion just justifies these peoples actions, so therefore the religion is to blame to an extent as it has been during conversion etc. One of the reasons for me personally why I found metal so attractive was due to the large anti-religious/Christian content, so I must admit I have a less than benevolent attitude to Middle Eastern based religions. Though every religion in existence seems to be guilty of some sort of atrocity.

[HolyWars]

I think that the religion just justifies these peoples actions, so therefore the religion is to blame to an extent as it has been during conversion etc. One of the reasons for me personally why I found metal so attractive was due to the large anti-religious/Christian content, so I must admit I have a less than benevolent attitude to Middle Eastern based religions. Though every religion in existence seems to be guilty of some sort of atrocity.

Its religion in genral, I agree, not just Islam.
Sure, most religious people of all cultures are perfectly fine but you will ge the odd fuckwitt that uses it as an excuse for there actions.

Im not for Islam or any religion for that matter, but it shits me to see ignorence towards one religion in genral, then from there, particualy Muslims it just turns into placing blame and racisml.

All religions have there cons....(except for buddhists monks...they rule :D)

[Surma]

I have a more benevolent attitude towards Paganism and many far Eastern religions such as Buddhism, Hinduism, Asatru/Neo-Paganism, Shintoism as well as the more miscellaneous Satanism. These aren't guilt free of course but nevertheless many of the adherants to these ideals keep themselves to themselves and mind their own business.

[mischmetall]

So, what would be your 'favourite' religion? Mine would be my own, Hinduism, seeing that it is ancient, pagan, interesting and maybe also because it has not caused any bloodshed. There are so many gods to worship. :twisted:

[Alfader]

Mine is of course Ásatrú.

[mischmetall]

Mine is of course Ásatrú.

Tell me more about it, until recently, I didn't even know it was a recognized religion.

[Alfader]

Well, it have been an officially recognized religion by the governments in Iceland since 1973 and since 2003 in Denmark.

[IronPriest]

I think that the religion just justifies these peoples actions, so therefore the religion is to blame to an extent as it has been during conversion etc. One of the reasons for me personally why I found metal so attractive was due to the large anti-religious/Christian content, so I must admit I have a less than benevolent attitude to Middle Eastern based religions. Though every religion in existence seems to be guilty of some sort of atrocity.

I'm in no means an expert in any religion, I know very little, but from what I know most if not all religions speak about peace and respect for others...I think it's the people that twist the message of religion to justify their actions...I don't believe it's the religion.

[Katxoxo]

lol the endless discussion aye.
My bf goes on about this stuff 24/7.
I'm an athiest but i grew with religion because my dad's a Jehovah's witness.
I do think that the bible is a fairy tale and can't stand it when any one, even my dad, tries to make me see otherwise.
I hate how children are being brought up with their parents beliefs and how at a young age these thoughts are shoved down their throats. If your too young to understand politics then you shouldn't be preached to. The children of religious parents have no chance from the start.

[Heiden]

Organised religion is organised crime!!
I'm an anti-Abrahamist: against Christianity, Islam and Judaism... In these broad-minded times someone who is against Judaism is per se a nazi but I'm not!
These religions out of the East have oppressed our paganism and folklore and said us what to believe in and stuff so I say back to the roots :yes:
Feasts as Christmas must be replaced by the original feast, in this case Yule (or in Flemish Joel).
Heathen revolution!!:grim:

[Achtung]

unfortunately dont have an advanced English

I Would give excellent and precise arguments

[arctic grave]

Religious TV channel showed King Diamond while their story was raving about Satanism. Completely hilarious. These Christians are so busy pointing fingers at all that is wrong with the world while the winger politicians they vote for keep getting thrown in jail for corruption. Never do you see a story on their channel about that.:rolleyes:

[HxC-Bunny-Slippers]

Why is religion being shoved down everyones throats by basically everyone?
What you believe and do in life is your choice but people try to make it almost fucking expected of you to believe and worship God. I dont know what i believe, and honestly i dont think i ever will, why the fuck am i being treated like a fucking alien for not having faith in a dude that could supposedly walk on water?
Religion Is really just a way to make people do what their told, why else would you tell someone their going to burn for all eternity in "hell" if its not to make them kiss a priests ass? The bible is a way to oppress people into conformity
I dont know about all this "jedi" "pastafarian" "scientologist" bullshit
But most christianity, Muslim, Judaism And Sikhism Shit are only interested in
"you do this or you rot for a thousand years" or "kiss my ass or youll go to hell"
Paganism, Satanism, Wicca, Buddhism And Other Pagan Religions
I guess their sorta alright, They dont try to shove A Crucifix down your throat
And i am SICK TO DEATH of all these thousands of people who boycott satanism
for being "evil" and "misleading" when really all it is some dudes who are majorly pissed off at Catholicism, This is just my point of view however, i dont really expect you to agree

[HxC-Bunny-Slippers]

And of Course No offense if you are catholic or another form of christianity
but really i dont respect your religious beliefs and i think you should go flush your bible down the toilet, i dont think theres ANYTHING after death whether your good or bad in life
I am an ASSHOLE and i have been all my life, but i am NOT going to burn alive in a place thousands of feet underground...
thanks for reading kthxbai =]

[Heiden]

This is the Tshirt I'm wearing today (and will be wearing tomorrow) so that says enough I hope :D http://www.darklands.no/slogan_men/HNH.jpg
I like this shirt...

[Menelyagor_FH]

Got a pic with the shirt actually on you?

Because thats not YOUR shirt, thats a pic from another site! :D

[Malephar]

Religion...bloody hell.

It's 1.30am and I have a headache, so I will have to put more thought into this subject some other time...however, I find it interesting that people who hate religio can happily spend hours and hours discussing it :)

[Menelyagor_FH]

And of Course No offense if you are catholic or another form of christianity
but really i dont respect your religious beliefs and i think you should go flush your bible down the toilet, i dont think theres ANYTHING after death whether your good or bad in life
I am an ASSHOLE and i have been all my life, but i am NOT going to burn alive in a place thousands of feet underground...
thanks for reading kthxbai =]

There's only ONE form of Christianity idiot! The CORRECT word would have been RELIGION.

Your knowledge on the matter is very 'closet' so keep your opinion to yourself!

You are being NO better here, than the very 'religious' people you are refering to who walk around preaching their beliefs.

[HxC-Bunny-Slippers]

nobody asked you man
why cant i get a single fucking thread that you dont thwart me in?
i am here to talk and you specifically go out of your way to be an asshole
we ARE HERE to express opinions, even if you dont agree its just as fucking valid

[Menelyagor_FH]

You want to post stupid crap about shit that you don't know what you're talking about, and look like a retard that's fine. But I'm going to let you know that! And I, just like you, am entitled to my opinion. . .
If you don't like it, go and cry elsewhere with the rest of your Emo friends.

[HxC-Bunny-Slippers]

hahahah
dont know shit about
look man you dont know me
and i dont know you
im not making any assumptions
and you shouldnt either

[Menelyagor_FH]

I will make educated assumptions and secisions about a person based on what I read about them! So fuck off!

You have made yourself, whether just for the sake of looking 'cool' on your gayspace site. . . to come across as a pretentious little fuck who doesn't know SHIT! I READ all your blogs etc, and I have COPIED all your text from that, to use if I need to, so if you WANT me to post some shit here. . .You are going the right way about it!

I know enough about you to have some kind of opinion on you, just through that! And if at all what I think is false. . . then perhaps that is YOUR problem, for posting bullshit on your site! But I take things as I see them! This is my opinion BASED on that! SO. . . .I'll assume all I like!

[HxC-Bunny-Slippers]

yeah but man even if i am
i'm not doing anything to you, im not going out of my way to make your life harder
all im trying to do is get some good music =\ is that so bad?
if you really fucking want me to ill DELETE this account and find another metal forum where i can find good metal bands that dont have people LIKE YOU that have a problem with it

[Menelyagor_FH]

Man just grow up! Thats all I'm saying!

[HxC-Bunny-Slippers]

i dont understand how im being immature though =\

[Heiden]

Got a pic with the shirt actually on you?

Because thats not YOUR shirt, thats a pic from another site! :D
It's the site from the store I got the shirt from so yes I have exactly the same shirt ;)

[666Karl666]

Mormins are the worst..

[R3volver]

There's only ONE form of Christianity idiot! The CORRECT word would have been RELIGION.

Your knowledge on the matter is very 'closet' so keep your opinion to yourself!

You are being NO better here, than the very 'religious' people you are refering to who walk around preaching their beliefs.

What about Jews they are christian too

[eternal blaspehmy]

Religion is bullshit, it was developed as a way of enslaving us all, the quicker the masses realise this the quicker we will get to spiritual enrichment, inside us all is a spirit that will transcend this reality when our bodies cannot regenrate anymore.
The coming of a new age is almost upon us, the age of aqaurius is in starting to come into its own, look out for them they will visit us on the 14th of October and remain with us for 3 days, they will show us that we are slaves and they come to give us hope and share there light and love with us, do not be afraid.
DO NOT BE AFRAID AND DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE LIED TO US FOR ALL OUR LIVES, LIES ABOUT WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, MUSLIM TERRORIST GROUPS ATTACKING US, THERE BEING NO SUCH THING AS ALIENS AND VARIOUS OTHER DRIBBLE THAT COMES OUT OF THERE MOUTH, DO NOT BE SCARED THEY COME TO HELP US, OUR LEADERS WILL TRY AND SCARE US BECAUSE THEY KNOW IF WE KNOW WE WILL TURN ON THEM AND REALISE OUR TRUE POTENTIAL.
IT IS TIME.

[Menelyagor_FH]

What about Jews they are christian too

HAHAHAHA! WRONG!

They are Jews! They follow Judaism! Get your facts straight! :rolleyes:

[eternal blaspehmy]

HAHAHAHA! WRONG!

They are Jews! They follow Judaism! Get your facts straight! :rolleyes:

http://bevan.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/20070715-pwned1.jpg


Oh you PWNED him so bad :o

[666Karl666]

In the words of Tom Araya

Religion Is Hate
Religion Is Fear
Religion Is War

Religion Is Rape
Religion's Obscene
Religion's A Whore

[Heiden]

Very intelligent lyrics, indeed :D

[eternal blaspehmy]

The sky is cryin....cant you see the tears roll down the street
The sky is cryin....cant you see the tears roll down the street
Ive been looking for my baby
And I wonder where can she be

I saw my baby early one morning....she was walking on down the street
I saw my baby early this morning....she was walking on down the street
You know it hurt me, hurt me so bad
Made my poor heart skip a beat

Ive got a real real real real bad feelin
That my baby she dont love me no more
Ive got a real real bad feelin that my baby dont love me no more
You know the sky, the skys been cryin
Can you see the tears roll down my nose

[666Karl666]

The sky is cryin....cant you see the tears roll down the street
The sky is cryin....cant you see the tears roll down the street
Ive been looking for my baby
And I wonder where can she be

I saw my baby early one morning....she was walking on down the street
I saw my baby early this morning....she was walking on down the street
You know it hurt me, hurt me so bad
Made my poor heart skip a beat

Ive got a real real real real bad feelin
That my baby she dont love me no more
Ive got a real real bad feelin that my baby dont love me no more
You know the sky, the skys been cryin
Can you see the tears roll down my nose

this threads about religion btw

[Malephar]

I have no time for religion whatsoever.

I was raised in a Catholic household, went to church every Sunday as a small child, but was always constantly perplexed because, in my child naivete, I believed that Jesus was actually going to show up and give a speech, and when this didn't happen, I gradually convinced myself that he wasn't real.

I just don't see the point in religion, no matter which one; they are all soul destroying in their own way, especially the really strict ones, and the forbidding of alcohol, pork and blood transfusions for fuck's sake. That last is a perfect example of a non-war based way of losing your life through religion, does that not say anything to anyone?

As a teenager I was an altar server in the local church, good only because I didn't have to sit with my family and sing hymns, I had no say in the matter though as my parents were both fairly strict about religion at that time. When I eventually gave this up at age 15, my mother went mental and assumed I was on drugs and worshipped the devil, neither of which I have ever done. The last straw came when, after something really scary happened to me, she said it was my punishment from God for turning my back on him. I'm sorry, but God, if he is even real, is supposed to be loving/caring/all forgiving, so why would he punish anyone or let bad things happen to people who don't deserve it?

As far as I'm concerned, the entire concept is just too fucked up and the whole bloody thing should be abolished.

[666Karl666]

being unable to drink alcohol is hardly equivalent to losing your life

[Malephar]

No, I know, but the idea of all this stuff being banned because some more than likely nonexistent higher being demands it, is just stupid.

[Demon]

Religions are retarded take Christanity me and my brother have proven it to be a load of crap.

[arctic grave]

Churches should be about the culture of the people and gathering for worship of a higher power than themselves. Churches have turned into a place of fear mongering, anti-culture, politics and country clubs for biscuit eaters.

There is a butt ugly church on every goddamn corner of this state. NOWHERE to be found is a fucking pharmacy. People are getting sick and dying because of these stupid fucking zealots!

[Heiden]

biscuit eaters.
Mmmmmmh, biscuits :bow:
Don't forget the immigrants that are hiding in the churches so they can stay in this country...

[Demon]

Damn immigrants they piss me off!!!!!!

[fubarinpittsburgh]

In America we are supposed to have freedom of religion and seperation between church and state.

Bullshit.

Pagan and satanic symbols are banned from our public schools (but Christan, Jewish, and Muslem symbols are not). I guess freedom of religion means freedom to practice the popular religions.

[Heiden]

Freedom of speech is such a great illusion, isn't it? :D

[Lord Hammet]

That is what we call IRONY.

[fubarinpittsburgh]

That is what we call IRONY.


You just made me laugh so hard coffee came out my nose! Well played. Well played. :D

[arctic grave]

I have a rant about the Christian TV media saturation and censoring important local news. Women's lives are lower than dog's lives according to Christian media censoring. This is so typical of Alaska.

In Alaska women's bodies have been floating ashore with their bodies hacked up like a hunters kill. I never heard this story until I saw America's Most Wanted feature this story. Common street hookers have been identified by DNA testing as among some of the dead floaters.

Back to the dogs > women thing. Alaska news will always feature any dog that gets killed or mutilated by a hunter's trap or wolf attack. The local TV news ran a story for three days about a big dog getting caught in a trap while nosing around in a neighbor's yard. You will never heard 3 days of stories about women being hacked to death then dumped into the fjord.

Stoopid Christians need to sort out their priorities. :roll:

[Heiden]

Yes, they did :D
No, seriously, that's crazy...

[arctic grave]

Makes me laugh. Now they ran a news story about how dangerous Metal Music is to your ears and Headbanging is to your brain. I wonder if they have counted the number of Christian nutjobs with rifles that burst into churches to kill the parishioners? :roll:

[Malephar]

Well, if it's any consolation, a few vicars down here have been stealing money from their parish funds...but they got away with it, and ran off with the money and beautiful girls only half their age! :lol:

[arctic grave]

The big name preachers are always getting caught in deviant affairs or gay bath house tromps. Then they stand there crying next to their humiliated wife to profess that they sinned against their church. :lol:

[Malephar]

My dad told me something fucking hilarious about the Pope's view on homosexuality in the church...but now I've gone and bloody forgotten what it was :rolleyes:

[Cargést]

As a Pagan, I wouldn't say all religion is bad :p

Organised religion, on the other hand, is ridiculous, in my opinion, as all organised religions utilise binary morality systems to instill fear in their adherants. There is no abject evil or good (except for Immortal). The concept of "prayer" is so entirely farfetched that I am amazed at the ability of some humans to believe that a vastly superior being would even have the time to listen to the pettiest of problems. Congregation is useful in a social context, but it merely reinforces the idiotic ideas placed in the attendees by their religious leaders.

[AudioBoxers]

Makes me laugh. Now they ran a news story about how dangerous Metal Music is to your ears and Headbanging is to your brain. I wonder if they have counted the number of Christian nutjobs with rifles that burst into churches to kill the parishioners? :roll:


hahaha

[Phantasm]

Knowledge is the enemy of faith.

[Woutjinho]

wise words

[Phantasm]

More wise words:

Religion obscures the truth.

[arctic grave]

Most organized religious sects make up their own reality. Completely delusional.

Most of these bible-bangers are so deep in denial that they deny their denial. ;D

[stenchofdeath]

Just think in the "old" times, to question religion or the way of the church had you burned. If people look at religions, they have to go in with their eyes wide open esp. christianity. I've met some quite obviously "brainwashed" christians. Funny thing is that it is sometimes people who are "lost" who seek out religions. These people are generally devoid of any real personality and who will suck up anything that is suggested or thrown at them. They make for good christians.

[Cargést]

Please, for God's (Odin's!) sake, stop going on about "religions". There is a difference between Monotheism and Polytheism which is so infinitely tangible as to be one of the greatest differences between the good parts of Asia and the bad parts of Asia.

[Mortuhm]

Hmmm, religion bashing? I could go on and on and on...
But I'll just mention a few reasons.
1. Religion is man made, and I don't trust man.
2. Religion places human traits on "god".
3. Religion teaches you WHAT to think, not HOW to think...
4. Religion makes "god" responsible for what happens TO you
5. The bible was a collection of writings from the psyche of its authors thousands of years ago, which has no relevance to the perception of the collective human psyche of today.
6. There is no hell or satan, only state of mind.
7. I guess I'm going to "hell" because according you YOUR religion, I am a sinner. What about what my "Religion" (don't have one, but for reference) says about YOU??
8. If you are going to practice ANY form of religion, follow ALL of it's rules or don't claim it's your religion you fucking hypocrite!!!
9. Religion makes perfect VICTIMS! LOL

[arctic grave]

Alaska Natives just won another suit again the Catholic Church for sexual exploitation by priests. Good for them! :D

[Lit]

I formally apologise, on behalf on my country and countrymen, for spreading this vile christianity throughout Western Europe after the end of the Roman Empire.

But had we not done, you wouldn't have anything to bash. :P

[Malephar]

Lit, you have a very good point there.

Religion is always going to make a fascinating discussion, regardless of your beliefs and opinions on the subject.

[Lit]

Aye, and whatever about the modern demise of Christianity in Europe and the Colonies, faith is going to be with us for a long time yet.

Atheism is always going to be unsatisfactory.

[Punisher11292]

you misunderstood me..... i wanted to tell you this: if i want to believe in god, i don`t need no goings to church or priests to be christian... i might as well be christian at home, at work, in school or whatever.... i`m saying that the whole church, most of the priests and everything are bad, greedy and sinful people, with whom i don`t want have any bussiness..... as i already said, i don`t need no church or priests to believe in god.....

Jesus was a racist homophobe, nuff said.
How can you worship someone who can't even uphold the rules he set upon us?
Hypocrisy at its finest.

[Prudentice]

There is a huge difference between religion and faith, and that has got to be the first thing one must understand in order to be able to bash on religion.
Religion is the most profitable organization known to man, it is the most elaborate scam of all times designed to control the masses - this might sound a little "conspiracy theory" - and it actually does rule the world.
Organized religion (especially Christian/Catholic) is purely based on fear - if you don't follow the rules, you will go to hell, it's that simple. It is a systematic glorification of poverty, obedience, weakness and fear, with the agenda to exterminate free will and free thought.
By submitting under the will and power of a higher being one is willingly giving up his sense of self or control, making himself yet another sheep in the flock. Men are supposed to put their faith into their own abilities, not the ones of an unknown spiritual thing that may or may not exist, accepting an external being as one's master is simply rubbish.
The religion that teaches submission and humility as the virtues of mankind is idiotic and hypocritical, it breeds in the empty minds of blind-folded sheep that carry it forward one generation after another creating a world of stupidity and soulessness.

[Prudentice]

http://www.funhunter.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/hammer.jpg

nuff said.